Love the Sinner; Hate the Sin
Posted on March 10th, 2005 by catalyst into the Uncategorized category…this is what I was always taught growing up. You love the sinner. But you hate their sin.
And that’s really what this blog is all about. I love the members and leaders of City Bible Church, I just hate how they act and how they behave. I hate their self righteous hypocrisy. I hate their arrogance. I hate their condescending behavior. And most of all I hate their obsession and love of money.
But trust me, City Bible, even with all that sin. I still love you.
(That doesn’t sound very convincing does it…
…and you wonder why homosexuals want nothing to do with the church?)
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March 10th, 2005 at 2:47 pm
Great point.
I really was thinking you were full of it, but then you tied it all together with the homosexual comment. Well done.
March 10th, 2005 at 2:49 pm
…But trust me, City Bible, even with all that sin. I still love you.
(That doesn’t sound very convincing does it…
…and you wonder why homosexuals want nothing to do with the church?)Bingo. Right, first time.
For years, from my POV, “love the sinner, hate the sin” has been an excuse to go ahead and make the sinner’s life miserable anyway because, hey, they’re sinners. They deserve it.
I’m not saying this to characterize what you’re doing. The difference between what you’re and the other stuff is that the other stuff is frequently used as an excuse to hound the sinner into disrepute, make them leave the community, ruin them if possible, make laws against them, and if possible force them into lifestyles not of thier choosing under duress.
The only way you’d be like those people is if you’d agitate to pass ballot measures against them, forbidding them from marrying, and requiring conversion to, say Buddhism.
Your concern for those who take this message seriously is all too plain. And the crypto-hypocrisy inherent in that oft-repeated statement is one red flag I use to tell me to Run, Do Not Walk To The Nearest Exit.
You really do understand why I hold such clergy in high suspicion. You, my friend are deeper than you give yourself credit.
March 10th, 2005 at 2:53 pm
By the way, you know one of the reason I love this ‘blog so much?
Whenever I post a post, the Blogger comment screen says, at the top, Your Post Has Been Saved.
It is infinitely easier for a Blogger post to enter heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, that’s for sure.
March 10th, 2005 at 2:59 pm
“Whenever I post a post, the Blogger comment screen says, at the top, Your Post Has Been Saved.”
LOL…
So true. So true.
We’re saving our readers, one post at at ime.
March 10th, 2005 at 4:08 pm
Have you ever notice that the people who use the phrase Hate the sin,love the sinner don’t have any friends that are “sinners”.
March 19th, 2005 at 12:48 pm
catalyst, i have a hard time believing that you love the members and leaders at cbc, with all the personal jokes, attacks and mockery dished at frank, and doug and whomever else. and do you hate the sin in your life as much as the sin you see in them? it is ok to point out bs you see going on around you. but isn’t this site generally part of the problem and not part of the soulution? so your going on 30,000 but does this “success” satisfy your soul. just a few thoughts. anonymous #93
March 19th, 2005 at 11:25 pm
Coming from a similar background as Catalyst and RP, I can fully understand why they think and behave like they do. City Bible could be likened to a cruise ship [i.e. the Titanic] or a freight train in that they are slow to change and slow in reaching their destination. I prefer the freight train analogy because I feel CBC is on a collision course with our culture and turning around isn’t an option. It is extremely gratifying to know that when the crap hits the fan and the fraud that is City Business Church is exposed for who they really are, there will still be this blog as evidence that someone saw it coming and didn’t fall victim to it. So in response to your question, Anonymous #93, I pose a question to you. Hasn’t the problem for so many years now, been the fact that Christians have neglected to point out the BS that goes on around them?
March 20th, 2005 at 7:07 am
sure cbc may be slow to change in reaching our culture,but in some way they are reaching part of our culture it just that we dont like that part of the culture. isn’t the church diverse enough to reach different people in different ways? i know i am playing the devils advocate hear. but come on man do you really think that cbc is a fraud? a false church with some truth or a true church with error, or bs. and regarding speaking out about the b.s. there is a right way to do that and if your doing the right thing the wrong way it is still wrong. what ever is not of love is sin. and we are to speak the truth in love . that is what i guess i am trying to get at. annymous #93
March 22nd, 2005 at 3:11 am
Heck ya, it’s a fraud! Every new train of thought and every new “program” has been ripped off from another church or publication. In fact the only publication they haven’t borrowed from is the Bible itself. Are Forward Together and Faith Harvest found in the New Testament or the Old? Maybe my concordance is too abridged to include snippets of those passages, but I know PF wouldn’t misslead an entire church body just to build a world-class facility he can brag about to his peers, right?!
March 22nd, 2005 at 6:34 am
again , there is a right way of addressing error or b,s you may see. it is true judgement must begin with the house of God, and may it begin now but the wisdom that is from above is gentle.truth must be spoken in love. whatever is not of love is sin. what is redemtive in our words and actions? anonymous #93
March 22nd, 2005 at 11:01 am
Riddle me this, #93. Is writing letters effective? Is sitting down over a cup of jo effective? Is picketing effective? All rhetorical questions deserving a “no” answer. Then what do you propose you and I (or maybe just I) do to reverse the capitalistic, health-and-wealth doctrine afflicting our modern church and more specifically as it concerns us and CBC?
March 22nd, 2005 at 10:58 pm
what you can do is, don’tlaugh, initiate one on one time with a leader you know up on the butte. “yeah right like that will happen” that is what is alllways said but have you ever tried it, put the ball in their court. another thing , live out the real thing and strive torwards that, personaly and within your community of believers. optimistic anonymous #93- ps lets continue this on a more recent post this is 3 am right