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Financial Peace University

Posted on March 13th, 2006 by catalyst into the City Boobie Church category

Next month City Bible is holding a Financial Peace University seminar. The serminar is taught through video-tape by Dave Ramsey, a nationally syndicated radio host.  In 13 weeks and for $100, Dave will teach City Bible members how to save money and change their financial behavior.

For me, this is fine. It is good to learn to save money and live within your means. I just think everyone already knows this and they probably don't need a 13 week course. They need self-discipline. But I suppose the seminar can't hurt.

What I found interesting was the secion on City Bible's website discussing what the Bible says about money. I am not sure who they got to write this section, but the person sounds a little condescending. The page lists verses in the bible that mention money, and then shares a short comment on what that verse means. Check it out.  

And you have to admire Mr. Damazio's persistence in continuing to claim that his ministery is to Business Leaders. Someone has to do it, and I guess he has placed that mantle upon himself.

But I would just be a lot more impressed with Mr. Damazio if he had founded City Bible himself. If he had started a church in his living room centered around ministering to the rich, and subsequently caused that church to grow into a multi-campus church.

But he didn't. He took an already existing church, alienated the current pastoral staff and long time members. Focused primarily on the rich members and preached on tithing for 7 consecutive years.  So I'm not impressed.  And I'm not impressed with his discussion on money. And I really think he should focus on other issues.

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  1. JiminyCricket81 said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 10:04 am

    Note the seal at the top of the page.

    “Nunquam pendite divendium”

    translates from Latin roughly as:

    “Never depend on money”

    Right….they’re practicing that one, all right. Because as long as it’s a philosophical dependency, that doesn’t count. Give me a break. I think they’d be better off using that great anthem of the Kit Kat Klub (apologies to everyone who’s never seen “Cabaret”):

    “Money makes the world go ’round”

    I’m sure they could use the same tacky seal and get it translated into Latin.

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  2. John444 said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 11:24 am

    “Nunquam pendite divendium”

    I thought that was Klingon for:

    “Today is a good day to tithe”

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  3. JiminyCricket81 said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 12:41 pm

    hahahahahhaha!

    I heart geeks!

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  4. Henri The Great said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pm

    John444 on March 13, 2006 at 11:24 am said:

    “Nunquam pendite divendium”

    I thought that was Klingon for:

    “Today is a good day to tithe”

    That’s a classic!

    lol.

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  5. Henri The Great said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 2:07 pm

    Here’s a quote from the CBC website:

    If money is this important to God, why are there so few Sunday school classes on this topic? Why don’t we see lots of small group studies on “Managing Your Finances” or “Getting Out of Debt”? Why aren’t there more sermons in this area?

    Apparently, the writer of this page is not a member of CBC? Or deaf?

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  6. magledon said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 2:11 pm

    Is this about lo-mid - mid class peeps like ourselves being alienated from a church our parents helped develop?

    Just seems like that is what happened.

    Maybe this is what Iverson wanted to do, but couldn’t pull it off?

    A congregation to show the Portland area population that christians have money too and were not going to be oppressed by million dollar, leftist, special interest groups who would like to drive “our kind” from this city.

    Just random thoughts with possibly some merit…

    This could be the “church” as a “whole” in pdx, struggling to remain relevant in an ever deepening sinking sand.

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  7. Gong said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 3:50 pm

    wait…. did you ever find out what pastor frank was all revved up about!>!?!!??!1

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  8. FICM said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 6:25 pm

    John444 on March 13, 2006 at 11:24 am said:

    “Nunquam pendite divendium”

    I thought that was Klingon for:

    “Today is a good day to tithe”

    hahahaha Now THAT was funny.

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  9. micah modrall said:    
    March 13th, 2006 at 9:45 pm

    Blessed are you poor for yours is the kingdom of God. (Sayings Gospel Q, 1Q: Luke 6:20)

    And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” And they were exceedingly astonished, and said to him, “Then who can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.” (Mark 10:23-27)

    And the rich cleave with difficulty to the servants of God, fearing that they will be asked for something by them. Such then will enter with difficulties the kingdom of God. For just as it is difficult to walk with naked feet among thistles, so it is also difficult for such men to enter the kingdom of God. (Shepherd of Hermas, Similitude 9.20.2b-3)

    It is curious to me why church leaders choose to not include sayings like these from Jesus when discussing money.

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  10. Henri The Great said:    
    March 14th, 2006 at 12:52 am

    micah modrall on March 13, 2006 at 9:45 pm said:

    Blessed are you poor for yours is the kingdom of God. (Sayings Gospel Q, 1Q: Luke 6:20)

    And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it will be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” And they were exceedingly astonished, and said to him, “Then who can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.” (Mark 10:23-27)

    And the rich cleave with difficulty to the servants of God, fearing that they will be asked for something by them. Such then will enter with difficulties the kingdom of God. For just as it is difficult to walk with naked feet among thistles, so it is also difficult for such men to enter the kingdom of God. (Shepherd of Hermas, Similitude 9.20.2b-3)

    It is curious to me why church leaders choose to not include sayings like these from Jesus when discussing money.

    Because telling rich people to *consider* that God might actually require them to give all their money away…. would not allow the church to buy another plasma TV or another whirly spotlight.

    Personally, if I was going to build a church myself… I would pick only the “good” money verses, too. We’d be a big church of mostly white people, mostly upper class with a few lower-class for show, have a big sound/light system, killer rock band for worship, and I would constantly make you feel guilty preach about how you must give me my church more money if you want to make receive more money from God.

    Oh wait… I guess that’s already been done? ;-)

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  11. magledon said:    
    March 17th, 2006 at 12:33 am

    love the slashes dude…

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  12. Kyle said:    
    March 30th, 2006 at 11:16 am

    Sounds like someone got their feelings hurt in Sunday School. God’s not going to save everyone. Looks like we found a few of you on this blog site.

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  13. magledon said:    
    March 30th, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    Did you vote for Bush Kyle? You sound like the type. Get ‘er done.

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  14. Bill said:    
    May 7th, 2006 at 9:40 pm

    Pastor Frank does not alienate the former staff of City Bible… I often see them in the front rows

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  15. Free_From_the_Matrix said:    
    May 11th, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    Kyle, God’s to save us…why? Because we don’t like CBC? Wow, you really are indoctrinated.

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  16. Free_From_the_Matrix said:    
    May 11th, 2006 at 12:47 pm

    Meant to say “God’s NOT going to save us” above…again, the fact that you think that our view of CBC impacts our salvation is beyond asinine.

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