Judah Can’t Pray Naked
Posted on October 2nd, 2006 by Samaritan into the The City Church categoryWhenever the City Business Church has blogged about Jonah Judah, a few of his blind devoted followers whine about it rise up in defense of him despite his immature antics as an anointed man of God. And so, to cheeze off Judah's groupies I listened to an entire message oh the nausea of it, to experience the hot air anointedness for myself.
Reference: Judah Smith, The Way of the Water Pot, from John 4:1-29 (Woman at the Well) and John 7:37.
Message summary: God is a river, a limitless source of living water. We are wells, but thirst because we still rely on worldly water, and when we go to God, we have a water pot mentality. Once we have met the Messiah we should, like the woman at the well, leave our water pot behind, and go to the river that is God.
The message however was very difficult to listen to, for several reasons. Here's a breakdown of some of the things that troubled my spirit:
:00 Plugs church membership seminar / trumps free breakfast; but doesn't know all the details and has to call on 2 other pastors to confirm the date and time. He knows enough about the event to announce it, but not the details. (Seemed awkward. Is he unprepared, or was that just a device to recognize the other pastors, or portray himself too important to be bothered with details? Seems like self exaltation, as in "I don't know the details - let me ask my assistants.")
:50 Acknowledges someone named Luke.
1:00 Plugs the Huskies. "Hey the Huskies are 2 and 1, football. Come on; TWO and ONE! Did you notice that AFTER Sean came to GC, the Lord just anointed him; got almost 100 yards and a touchdown. I told him I said 'Sean you just keep comin' to GC the Lord's just gonna keep blessin' ya.'"
1:20 A nearly 9 minute long animated and contemporized reading of the scripture. Scolds people for talking in the 3rd person - says only the Messiah should do that - declares that to be "good preachin' already". Several personal anecdotes. Calls the woman at the well the first "Desparate Housewife" … says "you should not watch that show by the way - I've never seen an episode - shame on you."
10:00 Prayer
10:40 Supposedly beginning the message now following the prayer. Judah announces "There's a green Honda Accord and black Impala about to be towed behind the building - run screaming from the building now - sorry brother that's kinda awkward - Shalom" (audience laughter).
11:00 "I'm a … I'm a shower guy … my father in law takes a bath every morning" … On honeymoon his wife asks "what are you doing" … Judah replies: "I enjoy the feeling of cascading water on my naked body" … talking about taking baths, he says: "Forgive me, I can not pray to God naked" … "OK, that's awkward … awright … I don't know about you, but it's like, Lord, um, anyway Lord, uh …" … "But I've tried the bath thing … Baths freak me out because there's no like suction - there's no removal of the dirty water - it's clean until you get into it and then you're sitting in the cesspool of yourself … think about it folks … what is up with this bath thing …"
14:00 Talks about his house and shower, and showering … talks about washing his armpits - does animation of arm-pit washing.
16:00 Talks about his wife flushing toilet on him while showering.
18:00 Talks about his house's water pressure and his wife saving money for fixing it.
19:50 Finally starts talking about "living below our means" in terms of God's available resources.
21:30 Tells the story of a guy who he met in High School and led to the Lord, who's dad owns a state-wide chain of businesses, they're millionaires, but the young man has chosen to work elsewhere saying "I want to make my own way." Three times Judah says he told his friend "You're an idiot", then tells him "that is ridiculous … that is your inheritance … go to work for your dad, he'll make you a manager …"
23:00 - 35:00 Comments on the scripture passage. Some points repeated from the original 1:20 - 10:00 scripture reading, but re-told in more detail with stage antics (showing off / entertainment), vocal impressions, with many pop culture expressions, from whispering to yelling for effect. In his retelling of the account, he resorts to some conjecture, and imputes motive to Jesus and the woman at the well for why the conversation unfolded the way that it did. One funny comment about 'noon' being the typical lunch time for the Israelites, as if that was a revelation or the result of scholarly study.
36:00 "Pastor Judah can you fill up my water pot - oh man that was a good word - fill it up … feels so good" - bangs on a pot … (this seems to be a mocking of people who come to GC and rely on Judah to fill them up - a strange comment - for without those people, Judah has no audience). Having seen some videos of Judah, I also imagine he's strutting the stage during the several long pauses. He's part evangelist, part stand-up comic, part child who needs to be the center of attention.
37:00 "You just come back next week, I'll share part II …and you, you might even go to hell unless you come and hear part II …"
39:20 Sings version of "I'm a little Teapot"
41:40 "I am not here to fit in … We are here to take over"
47:10 Closing prayer. Queue background music.
47:50 Closing exhortations.
50:10 End.
Margin note: Message peppered with belittling epithets such as "watch this" (must think the audience blind), "think about it" (must believe the audience doesn't think) and "come on now" (must think the audience is mule-like).
CONCLUSION: After listening to the message, I don't doubt Judah's love for God, his passion for people, or that the Holy Spirit resides within him. The essential meat of the message was thoughtful, but could have been delivered in 5 minutes and the scripture read in 2. The rest of the message (about 40 minutes) was largely repetition, self-exaltation, entertainment, crude references, and mocking of others through ignorant-sounding vocal impressions which at times, sounded to this author like a sometimes stereo-typical inner-city black person. For me, the message was very nearly lost amid Judah's worldly performance. Based on the audiences obvious amusement, this author is convinced that Judah's groupies do NOT know the difference between "anoint-ment" and "entertain-ment".
I have mixed feelings after listening to Judah's message. Judah is a good kid, and I think if I knew him personally, I'd like him. His youth, zeal, humor, and caricatures remind me of someone I once knew well, but who needed his butt kicked routinely by someone older, wiser and more mature. Judah's zeal is consuming him, and ultimately, the message. He is relying entirely too much on theatrics to promote himself and sell his message. True anointment doesn't need theatrics. If Judah's friends or 'inner circle' of supporters had room for a mature and seasoned elder in the body of Christ, someone who has endured the cross unto the crucifixion of the flesh, who through the years had learned humility, I have no doubt that elder's advice to Judah would be to rely on the Holy Spirit to convey the message while making a humble and mature presentation of the gospel, and to quit relying on his water pot filled with feel-good quick-fix worldly water (antics and theatrics).
That leaves me with just one recommendation. Judah, you need to lift up Christ Jesus more, and Judah Smith less. Sorry brother that's kinda awkward. 1 Corinthians 2:2. Shalom.
Sam
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:50 am
Wow. How immature he is. He is, what, 27 years old? What a potty mouth he has and a mind in the gutter….. all the time exaulting his mouth and mind in the name of Jesus.
I’d be curious to recall if the “esteemed” father of his was so crude at that age. I sure dont recall his messages being so trashy/self-exaulting/bedroom talk/bathroom talk…
Someone needs to take this GROWN MAN/KID out to the woodshed.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:03 am
Seems to me that preachers often deliver a message that is more relevant to themselves than their audience. As if trying to pin their own short-comings on the people they are preaching to - kind of ‘projecting’ their crap-bag on others.
For example, there’s something very “prophetic” about Judah’s admission that he can’t pray naked. Consider it in context of the prophet Isaiah, who went naked for 3-1/2 years. Metaphorically, Isaiah did not need any covering (clothes/costume) to prophesy (to touch and speak the heart of God) because he had the covering of the Holy Spirit. Judah on the other hand, in saying he can’t pray naked, admits albeit unintentionally I’m sure, that he can’t approach God without his covering/comfort/costume.
The advice of Samaritan to Judah seems to be “get naked before God” - i.e., lose the costume.
A question also occurs to me:
Isn’t an offering plate a form of water pot? Seems so weird to preach “leave the water pot behind because God is a river of limitless power and inheritance”, and then turn around and pass their ‘waterpot’ offering plates to collect money. Why not do what he preaches, and rely on the power / river of God to provide, without passing the ‘water pots’?
It’s all so ironic to me.
‘Scrupe
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:20 am
Yikes! being new to your blog, I haven’t read much on Jonah-Judah yet, so it’s great to get a summary.
Can’t help commenting on his telling philosophy when he implores the kid to work for his dad, he’ll make him a manager. (By the way, what a pastoral thing to say to a new Christian: “You’re an idiot!”)
I read a great article in Consumer Magazine a few years back on whether various successful CEO’s employ their kids in their own companies. What stood out to me is they seemed to favor sending their kids off to work for another company to become a good employee there. Later, if they want to apply for work at the family company, after they’ve learned a valuable work ethic, then they have a job interview with references. Seems best for the kid and best for the company. The word idiot does not come to mind at all when I think of this criteria for hiring your kid.
Idiot does come to mind, however, when I think of the opposite.
If you hire your kid and exalt him too quickly, the other valuable employees who have been working their butts off for you for years have to move over for some inexperienced and immature brat who knows less and performs less, yet, of course, makes more money. It’s a scenario you hear of often. Books, screen plays, movies, songs are written about the injustice of employing spoiled children who lord their last name and position over their dad’s or mom’s underlings (i.e.loyal employees). Eventually, if there is not an intervention by the other employees, the kid runs the company into the ground and it goes belly-up.
Now, tell me, who is the idiot here?
October 4th, 2006 at 9:31 am
Judah cannot pray unless he is wearing the latest designer clothing from the Rail at Nordstrom.
I actually work at the DT Nordstrom in PDX, and see Judah ALL THE TIME. Of course, I also see Doug Lassit, and all the other CBC/GC leadership as well. And — guess what? They do not buy out of need, they buy out of greed.
When you buy jeans that are $200+, shirts that are $100+, and shoes that are $100+, and you are continually buying NEW clothes (in order to remain “fashionable”)– well, it seems quite obvious, to me, that they are more concerned with their status before Man than with their status before God.
It would certainly be nice if more church leaders lived according to Matt 6:24-34
October 4th, 2006 at 9:45 am
Yet another common thread between the 3 churches in Portland Kirkland and Boise.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:00 am
Ha!
Back here all ya need is a John Deere hat. If you ain’t wearin’ one, ya must be a foreigner. Head to the cafe for breakfast - it’s a sea of John Deere green. Then the one guy walks in with his red Case/IH hat - oh the glares!
If Judah wore them designer clothes to lead a worship service here, people would think he was “gay”. That spikey hair he has in the YouTube video - would only confirm ‘gay’ here. Where someone like Judah preaches a hip / relevant message, it would be real funny to hear him try to work in stories about feed corn, soy, hogs and tractors.
“Yup - you betcha - Jesus is just like a John Deere - always plowin’, plantin’ and harvestin’”
October 4th, 2006 at 11:48 am
Oh the stories we could tell on this metro sexual look thing here -once the youth pastor does it all the other kids start to copy it–if only they knew what people around town were saying and how we had to ‘try’ and defend them constantly–
no he’s not gay. someday we’ll explain how we started to notice how the men were become emasculated and we started to wonder why…….was it submission taken to an extreme –more fruit.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:51 am
Don’t get me started on the Prada Purses by the Youth Staff–that is some of the youth staff –while the rest of congregation buy theirs at Walmart. Did you
see the movie ‘The Devil Wears Prada’ —our life!
October 4th, 2006 at 12:56 pm
What’s Judah doing shopping at Nordies in PDX? Used to be several in the Seattle area … Southcenter mall was closest to where I grew up - they had one.
One of the better places to get clothes back here is Blaine’s Farm ‘n Fleet, Tractor Supply Company, R’s - they all got a great selection of affordable jeans and western shirts, and outer garments for people who work for a living - my fave manufacturer is Carhartt … the ‘camo’ look is real in back here.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:31 pm
This all sounds a little petty to me. If the guy likes nice clothes than so be it. I don’t care if he spends his money on fashion or retirement or Camel Lights or anything esle for that matter. It’s his money, his problem.
I did however appreciate hearing about Blaine’s Farm ‘n Fleet. Sounds like a nice place.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
RP:
I agree, what Judah does with his money is his problem or perogative. Perhaps you aren’t getting the connection here between the over-the-top lifestyle of the megachurch star wannabees and the fact they are living off the tithes and donations of the church members/goers. I have no problem with church leadership being taken care of, to a point. but I do have a problem with blatent excessiveness enabled by the salaries that these kids are paid by their parents when the money could/should be allotted to beef up the ministry of the church especially in regards to the poor amongst them.
The reason I have a problem with it is because 1. wouldn’t that tip off the IRS that these churches are dangerously close to losing 501-C status? and why should they remain a 501-C if they are getting rich off the people? and 2. While the lovely clothes may keep them in good standing with other upper class peers, what is it doing to further the chasm between them and those who can barely pay the rent or feel less than because God hasn’t chosen to bless them as much?
October 4th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Yeah, I see where you are going with all that, but still…
Are all pastors/preachers supposed to be poor? Should they always appear poor? We may think it’s shallow, but who are we to decide? Everyone has to make a living for themselves. If he’s found a way to make a fair amount of money then good for him. What he spends it on is his business.
If you were going to his church and giving money to that church you may have some room to complaign, but really…
it just sounds petty.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Send me your tithe.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
Beats Wally World.
They got stuff in there JP, that if you grew up in the city, you just stare at it and wonder “what on earth is that?” … and ya don’t dare ask any of these guys or they’ll tell ya a long story with no point and then try to get you to go snipe huntin’ or cow tippin’ with them. 
Hey - I threw in the ‘camo’ thing as a joke - but it’s not I guess. They are promoting a line of clothing called WorkCamo™ back here … now I’ve learned a lot about the midwest since moving here from Seattle in ‘99, but I’ll be darned if I can figure out what the heck a farmer needs with a ‘camoflage work’ outfit, to harvest corn. I know what woodlands camo looks like, but I have never seen ‘corn camo’ or soybean camo. And for the dairy farmers, do they have ‘cow camo’ where guys look like a advertisement for Gateway computers?
I’m gonna stick with my blue jeans and worn out Dawg hat. They’re nuts back here!
October 4th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
You are right again. I don’t go to his church. But I did go to the church here in Boise that reeks of the same stuff and that’s why still I’m touchy about it I guess.
Absolutely not. The other extreme is what Judah’s dad and cousin came out of– the old Nazarene way (don’t think the Naz’s still do this) of moving the pastor around and barely surviving. What’s wrong with finding a balance between the two?
This issue is one I’ll be laying down eventually, am in process of letting it go. But to say it’s petty minimizes the reasons I’ve beforesaid. It’s not just about the stupid clothes it’s about the prevailing attitude that goes with it. In fact, if the attitude weren’t present, the clothes wouldn’t even bother me.
BTW, Unscrupulous, if I send my tithe to you, will you share it with John 444 ? He may need something at the Tractor Supply Co. :O
October 4th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Corn444 lives in PodunkvILLe. I spend most of my time at Kel’s Pub in Portland. Besides He’d just waste it on implements or somepin’.
The tithe is meant to be ate, and drank. 
October 4th, 2006 at 3:51 pm
I agree with that.
October 4th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
You have no idea the excesses going on down here. Someday we’re going to spill all we know but till then we blog away inch by inch.
October 4th, 2006 at 8:35 pm
Maybe you should create SIF: or Sheep International Fellowship
October 5th, 2006 at 8:36 am
I doubt if he has ever have to go FIND a way to make a fair amount of money…
October 5th, 2006 at 8:53 am
Yeah: “I work for MY dad; he made me a MANAGER. My only other employment option was: ‘do you want fries with that’ … it was a no brainer.”
October 5th, 2006 at 9:00 am
ya, guess i’m being too hard on the boy. who’s to say i wouldn’t do the same given the options…
October 5th, 2006 at 9:51 am
Just don’t lord it over your church members than–that is the thing that people hate the most –the ones who have to work very hard for a living. It’s like having to live next door to the Royal Family and the young royals–they have inherited everything and live a life people dream about. Why have the church’s adopted this attitude –do they forget the money-salaries- that provide for this lavish spending is what people are giving to God –it is not their personal cash account.
Maybe when you grow up in it you don’t have any idea of where it actually comes from…..maybe its time they got a clue…..Jim and Tammy Bakkers daughter ended up living in a trailor park within a few miles of Heritage USA trying to make ends meet like the rest of America when it all came crashing down. Hhmm….something to think about………
October 5th, 2006 at 10:10 am
Reminds me of the old testament examples of the priests living in extravagence off the people. God wasn’t thrilled.
January 7th, 2007 at 10:13 am
It is wrong to lay heavy guilt trips on people to give a false meaning of tithes. Right is right and wrong is wrong! Yes, a false meaning of tithes, that is what a lot of preachers are teaching, getting rich and keeping the poor, poor. Ask them for help and watch some of them come up with a lame excuse not to help, “like you didn’t ask in the proper time frame.” Or they’ll preach in away that will make you afraid/ashamed to ask for help.
In the Bible tithes were giving ONCE a year, sometimes every THREE years. Tithes were only for the Levite priest, no other priest. Tithes were sin offerings; not from your weekly pay. Tithes were specific things, that procreated. Fruit is fruit. Money is money. Often I hear the word “fruit” misquoted from greedy false teachers of the law. There are so many scriptures misquoted from false teachers of the law. I know all the tricks they use to sweet talk (soothsay) you out of your money.
The reason tithes were given once a year and sometimes every three years is because crops needed time to grow and animals needed time to procreated. God commanded that specific instructions be carried out for the tithe. The animal had to cut a certain way, and certain portions had to prepared in certain ways, and it couldn’t be just any animal. The grain offering had to be prepared using certain methods. In the Bible you’ll never read how God accepted your salary as tithes. To preach tithing is to preach a different Jesus! Jesus paid the price in full for us! He is our redeemer, not our money and our righteous acts. Sins are forgiven ONLY if blood is pour out for us. This is why Jesus poured out His blood for us. Jesus gave us a new promise…we are no longer under the Old testament promise. The church doesn’t need tithes to sustain itself, that’s ridiculous!
Think about this, you have 150 people faithfully giving tithes each week, lets say the average person brings home 2,500. most people bring home way more; each person gives $250 a month. Take 250 X 150=37,500 a month! Wow! That’s a lot of money! 37,500 a month! It is shameful how they lay heavy guilt trips on you to give a false meaning of tithes every Sunday. They tell you you’re selfish and greedy if you don’t tithe and slap you in the face with Old Testament Malachi as if that scripture really applies to their false meaning of tithes. Really who is the greedy one? I haven’t even mentioned the other three baskets: building fund, benevolent fund, offerings. If people would just read their Bibles and search things out to see if what they’re telling you is true they wouldn’t get conned by these false teachers of the law. They’re cunning just like the Bible indicates…scripture twisters…
There are 613 laws in the Bible and the Bible indicates that if you do one you must do all. That means you cannot eat pork, wear clothes mixed with linen and wool. So if your preacher is asking for tithes, does he know that he must keep all the other laws? Do you see him eating pork chops, bacon, ribs?
Hebrews 10, indicates that blood sacrifices (tithes for sin) was offered year and year, not week after week. Again the sacrifices wasn’t money. Also, Hebrew 10 indicates that there is no longer a need for these sacrifices (tithes for sin)…I hope the truth has set someone free from the bondage of a false meaning of tithes.
January 8th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
That is an excellent point. I use the same arguement when I run into a person who is homophobic. I usually ask them if they put their wives into a hut during their time of uncleanliness (Menstrual period).
Tey are usually dumbfounded when I point out that if they are going to follow LEVITICUS to the letter, they have to do that, too.
Picking and choosing which part of the Bible to follow seems to be a common thing among Christians.
January 8th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
I bet it would be refreshing to the people if the people could find meaningful hobbies. This website isn’t one. It obviously feels good to vent and repay people for the hurts they have caused us but is it the right choice? We all do it and justify it sometimes….. kind of like we all sin. Sin isn’t cool it just feels that way.
I am mildly sad to see yet another instance of bored, confused “Christian rogues” fighting each other over something that they themselves don’t agree with. You can receive the high from the enemy by “getting yourself off” all day long. I don’t believe it is right. Feel free to nuke my opinions im just passing by and won’t fight back.
Maybe some of us should have listened to our mothers a little better (I know I should have) — If you don’t like something ignore it.
I don’t believe this sort of thing is gaining any type of approval from God (maybe thats not what you are going for). You may believe you are exploiting a unjust cause…….and maybe….you are. Who really knows (maybe many of you are convinced that you do….sadly). However, even if you are, there are about a bajillion other things you could be doing to advance the kingdom that are worlds more beneficial and productive than this….the writing is on the wall.
This just is a stumbling block for many good people out there in the church. Ignorance is such a blindfold sometimes, I know….but there is hope.
Just some food for thought that will very likely be ignored or bashed. Good luck either way. Please pray sincerely to God so he may open your eyes.
Beef Brisket is my favorite bbq meal at the bbq joint.
January 8th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Does anyone know of a church that doesn’t blik you, that doesn’t play mind games to control you, that doesn’t pressure you to volunteer for all their fund raising events, so you can make them rich?
I’ve visited so many churches and this is all they seem to do. I’m getting tired of everybody acting so spiritual, like God is speaking to them to tell me what to do. I believe that the Old Testament prophecy has been completed with the New Testment that Jesus gave us and I don’t think there are real prophets out there, because the Bible indicates that we’re not to add to the Bible or take away, meaning that we’re not to say God said something that He didn’t…Can I get someone elses take on this?
January 8th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
That always begs the question:
“Then why are you here?”
January 8th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Hi Karen,
To the extent that we manifest the Lord, who abides within us, we will also manifext the various spiritual gifts He has given us through the Holy Spirit, among them prophecy.
However I do not think the Father intends any of us to take titles and labels, like prophet, evangelist, apostle or the like, as much as He simply wants us to be His sons, manifesting THE Son by our surrendered lives.
I’m not sure I’ve ever met a prophet, though have heard a number of brothers and sister speak prophetically (where prophecy is truth and the testimony of Christ (Revelation 19:10)).
Where the ’spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Christ’, we are all prophets/esses in as much as we testify of Christ’s work in our life.
I’m not sure I believe in ‘predictive’ prophecy Karen, of the sort we just heard from Pat Robertson who says there will be a devastating terrorist attack in the US this year. The Lord has however spoken words to me for me and my family, which have come to pass, though I didn’t understand the words when He spoke them to me.
Sam
March 28th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
I’m not a member of this church but I have a few things to say. Rather than focusing on the money the church seems to be “robbing” from the people, or the “brainwashing” schemes, or even how the youth pastor spends his money (or where) I feel like maybe we’re forgetting to look at the fruit of the ministry. For one, I think having young people spend their time in church is probably much better than about 20 other places I can think of where kids like to hang out now-a-days. Two, I believe this church is teaching essential principles to atleast find God by reading your Bible and praying daily (both good things). Third, I understand that it may displease some people to see leadership displaying such extravagance, but lets not forget that it’s the kids who are giving their money, which in my opionion is amazing and gives me hope for the upcoming generation to atleast know what it feels like to give money for a cause. Now the most important thing is that kids are being saved and coming to know Jesus, can we atleast give them the benefit of the doubt and believe in their intelligence enough to let them figure out for themselves who God is? Or better yet, can we please take God out of the box that says he can’t reach people through an imperfect church? May I share with you that I have yet to find the perfect church who will not offend anybody in anyway. This is why I stick to the Church God has planted me in and I serve in the way I think God would want me to serve and I know my church has its problems too, but thank God for Jesus….and maybe we could let Him be the judge of all this…
…in the meantime, I feel sorry for any member of this youth church who accidentally stumbles upon this blog and then suddenly feels insecure about their Christianity…my prayer is that you won’t go from Church to Church looking for perfection like I did, and ask God to show you what’s right, He will because even when we are faithless (and insecure) He’s faithful.
March 28th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
This is a very interesting blog. How many of you know judah, doug and krist? How many of you been to their homes? How many of you have ever sat down and talked with them? Probably none of you. Its easy to get on this thing hide behind a fake name and spot off at someone. Buch of cowards.
March 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
I love it when someone drops in to correct us … never seems to occur to them that they can’t challenge/question the leadership where they attend church, but they can here …
Thanks for the post, Anon …
Sam
March 28th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
March 29th, 2007 at 12:08 am
What’s your full name Karen?
March 29th, 2007 at 5:40 am
Oops. My bad. Wow–what’s your name?
March 29th, 2007 at 5:54 am
Wow said:
March 28th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
So, uh, like “Wow” would be your real name, then?
‘Scrupe
March 29th, 2007 at 6:52 am
I’ve known Doug long before he ever became a pastor. I knew Judah and his family when he was just a wee lad. I’ve watched them both over the years and even served with Doug in many different ways. I can say without a doubt that nothing on this blog about either of them is slanderous or untrue in any way.
Anon & Wow, you would do well in life to examine the real fruit and character of the leaders you idolize rather than assume that they are “awesome” or “anointed” simply because they put on a good show.
March 29th, 2007 at 8:25 am
I went to school with Donna, (as in: rode in her car several days a week).
My wife lived with Doug and Donna after they were married. We were good friends.
In Redmond, (when he lived at home) I slept on Judah’s floor, drove his GMC SUV, picked up his friends from the airport, got him coffee, blah blah blah.
What does this prove? Is the fact that what they’ve become breaks my heart now more valid “wow”? Are you satisfied?
More like: It’s easy to do a drive-by trolling without really understanding what’s going on here. Nice knee-jerk reaction, you are the epitome of the Church.
March 29th, 2007 at 10:59 am
I’m sure only a few privileged inner circlers get to go to their houses and they seem to be very selective on who they let in and when.
I agree Sam, and I see not much changes over time does it? If these people only knew how redundant and predictable they sound. It really is interesting how folks periodically do a drive-by corrective thing and then don’t come back to spar. It’s kinda nervy to call out ‘coward’ when, as the old saying goes ‘the pot is calling the kettle black’ or something like that.
March 29th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
I am a Christian, I love the Lord with all my heart, soul and mind…I am so glad that I am no longer in bondage to a false aposle/prophet who knows how to put on a good show. Someone who uses scriptures to soothsay or should I say gainsay…they’re cunning, but thank goodness for Jesus! I love him, because if it weren’t for his word, which is the final authority on scriptures, I would be like all those poor Christians believing in toxic faith, falling for prosperity preaching, idolizing their preacher honoring him more than their own parents…(like a groupy) giving them their last dime, before they’d feed their own children…thinking that this is what God wants them to do, because they’re brainwashed or should I say brain dirty. They put all their hopes and dream in a mere mortal soul, believing in man’s twisted preception of God. Like God really wants you to give your last ten percent of your pay check to a man. How is giving to a man giving to God? The Bible says that God owns everything! What does God like best about the tithe? The pleasing aroma…the burnt sacrifice…now that Jesus is that perfect lamb of God and paid the price in full…there is no need for giving tithes… I thank God I don’t think like that foolish pharisee anymore, people who give tithes, do it out of guilt and compulsion…and believe me they’re watching to see who else is giving….and they judge others who don’t, thinking they’re more holy, but really they’re being spiritually pimped. I feel sorry for them because they could be saving for retirement or they could just have more money to spend on their family, but they’re so wrapped up in false teaching, and they actually think they’re better than those who don’t tithe; sad how superficial church has become…It was the sinner who was more justified than the faithful tither….
April 19th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
I love it when someone drops in to correct us … never seems to occur to them that they can’t challenge/question the leadership where they attend church, but they can here …
Thanks for the post, Anon …
Sam
No, thank you, Sam..I should have said *I am no longer a member of this Church* meaning, yes they were once my leadership, and no, I have no harsh feelings towards any of them. God called me to “visit the widows and orphans in their distress”…and to “sell all I have and give to the poor, and follow him”. Which means I don’t have time to check this blog (and I only hope that Jesus doesn’t return while I am because I would be embarrassed) which may be the reason I haven’t “come back to spar”, but I would be happy to acquiesce to any meaningless debates you would like to unfold…that is when I’m not busy here with the kids.
so in my response to this :
“Anon & Wow, you would do well in life to examine the real fruit and character of the leaders you idolize rather than assume that they are “awesome” or “anointed” simply because they put on a good show.”
I would have to “spar” back with : 1.) I don’t remember saying they were “awesome” or “annointed” so I think those might be your words. and 2.)I guess I am the “real” fruit of these “characters I idolize,” but I have to correct you and say that the ONLY character I idolize would be Jesus Christ. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones smart enough to figure out how to read the Bible for myself. How did I ever survive the city church?
*I apologize for being so predictable. I look forward to hearing you point out the predictability in this comment, and I’m truly sorry for the pain any of you have ever had to suffer on account of this Church or any other Church…I hope that someday we can all just be the brothers and sisters I think God would want us to be and to love one another with that mysterious love the Bible talks about but none of us seem to quite comprehend.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Another quote of the year nominee. Good work Anon.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
thanks
April 20th, 2007 at 8:50 am
I’d rather the kids find out the truth now at 13, 14, and 15 and not 18, 19, and 22 or worse. 42. Some people would honestly prefer for these people to go on brainwashed with their heads in the sand. Not cool.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Well said Jennifer—I don’t care how rockin it seems to appear
a worship fest is a worship fest. The question is who are you worshipping?
No thank you!
April 21st, 2007 at 9:48 am
Yes, who are you worshipping? Read your Bible and search things out to see if what they are telling you is actually the truth. Take heed to this, there is a difference between giving and tithing, and false apostles are cunning, the Bible indicates that they are greedy! WATCH OUT FOR FALSE APOSTLES! Where there’s a false apostle there are FALSE PROPHETS! They have received a DIFFERENT spirit…
2 Corinthians 11:3But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough…. 9And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. ..12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Paul Boasts About His Sufferings
…18Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast. 19You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or pushes himself forward or slaps you in the face. …
I used to attend a church where the preacher claimed to be an apostle. Yes, he was very cunning…very greedy…just like the Bible indicates. He was so greedy (still is) he has his congregation convinced that if he asks for it they are to give him whatever he ask for.
He puts on a good show. The music is awesome! This is what does, he preaches in a way that scares the hell out of everybody…He preaches a mean scary God who doesn’t really love everybody..He preaches that God loved Jacob, but hated Esau…God hates the workers of eniquity…He’d twist scriptures out of context to scare you and bilk you. He masquerades as servent of righteousness, he always insinuates that he is telling the truth. He uses mystic manipulation (cunning) he gets people caught up in emotion, by putting on a good show, and scaring them so that they faint. No miracles happen, people just faint.
True apostles in the Bible were able to perform miracles. False apostles just talk about them, even if they were to perform a miracle doesn’t mean they are real. If what they teach doesn’t line up with scripture, they’re false. If what they prophesied doesn’t come to pass, they are not true prophets. If you were to attend this church, you would find, people exalting him, honoring him more than their own parents and family, he has them thinking they must pay him first. You’ll see all kind of baskets and yes men holding them…ready to receive your money for him, because they’re bewitched to believe everything the false apostle says…He turns people against their family and and teaches them to look down their noses at them. And he turns them against their home church. He causes division…he makes slaves out of them. He draws people to himself. They adore him. They shower him with all their love…why because they are bewitched by him…just like the Bible indicates, and like the Bible indicates he is greedy.
He bilks people out of all their money and he actually charges them to ride in the church van, but wait isn’t tithes suppose to go towards God’s purpose? Nope, not with him he teaches that tithes goes into his pocket… and he convinces people not to even question what he does with his tithes. Also, he won’t give you a receipt for your charitable gifts either, why, because he is cunning, he’ll skate around the issues and convince them that he is so anointed and nobody understands the Bible like him…Ponder this, what about being honest and reporting your earning to the IRS? How about helping your congregation get a blessing by being honest and claiming their charible contributions, so they can money back at the end of the year!
Not this false apostle and when the Bible talks about how they like to have the finest table at the banquet, so true. Every year this false apostle bilks his congregation out of thousands of dollars, by convincing them he is worthy of so much honor, they have their yes men, ask for a gift of $500 to $1,000 dollars each, plus they sell them a ticket to go to their anniversary…yep, just like the Bibles indicates they are greedy and the congregation puts up with it - you can’t have a difference of opinion in that church or they’ll kick you out!
Don’t be impressed with people fainting…and false prophets…test the spirits like the Bible tells you to do.
Ponder this, when the Holy Spirit decended upon Jesus did he fall backwards? Nope, matter of fact the Bible indicates: Luke 18:1
And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;…
2 Corinthians 4:1
Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 Corinthians 4:16
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
Galatians 6:9
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Ephesians 3:13
Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. Revelation 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
April 22nd, 2007 at 4:38 pm
I know very few mature men who are 27. Judah is not one of the exceptions.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
“I’d rather the kids find out the truth now at 13, 14, and 15 and not 18, 19, and 22 or worse. 42. Some people would honestly prefer for these people to go on brainwashed with their heads in the sand. Not cool.”
I completely agree with Jennifer. However, I wonder sometimes if this blog is helping these 13, 14, and 15 year olds find truth. No doubt that there is Truth but part of that Truth is obedience to the word of God, which includes the concept of humility and compassion. I just feel this blog flirts dangerously with slander rather than righteous anger or even a humble concern for these kids.
In my opinion (if I may throw it out there) is that everyone is ‘brainwashed’ by something. Look around in our culture, the media is probably the most evident brainwashing tool, but there’s our education system, or even our governmental system, your friends, family, etc…I just feel that the whole brainwashing excuse isn’t even a valid one anymore because its safe to say taht some people could even be brainwashed by this blog. (that is to say that if we all agree on the definition of brainwashing to be forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person’s basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of beliefs.)
I just really wish that the body of Christ could come together and help each other through it’s problems rather than pointing fingers and speaking maliciously against one another. It’s true that we need to eliminate hypocrisy in the church, but I think (if I’m reading the Bible correctly) that it needs to be done through honest, pure love (refer to Matthew, I think chapter 6? I don’t have a Bible near me right now) Can we, maybe for a second, try not to pretend that we are perfect enough to point fingers at the imperfect?
Am I the only one whose heart is broken by this??
April 25th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
“Am I the only one whose heart is broken by this??”
My heart is broken by Pastors who engage in petty politics and involve themselves into the business of other churches, then, when they don’t have their way, those pastors retaliate by denying food to the poor and starving.
And Wendell Smith did just that.
April 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
My heart is broken for all the widows and orphans, or anybody who gets bliked out of their money for a false Jesus, especially those who can barely make ends meet. Blood had to be shed to redeem us from our sins and Jesus was the perfect blood sacrifice. Jesus paid the price in full for us. In my opinion to teach tithing is to teach a different Jesus. We can give freely…thanks to sweet wonderful Jesus! Hebrews in the New Testament talks about how the old law is no more…there is no need for blood sacrifices… (no where in the Bible will you read that tithes were from a weekly pay check) They had money back then. I read it in Genesis. Jesus gave us a new testament (promise). My heart goes out to the families who know the truth about tithing who try and help their families understand they don’t have to and the false preachers of the law has them convinced that their family memebers are devils! The false apostle I encountered taught that if you don’t tithe you’re practicing witchcraft! Your loved ones look at you like you’re evil, not understand that they’ve accepted false doctrine and are in bondage to a man who preahes a false Jesus.
You can love without agreeing with false doctrine. We can state our own opinions. We are suppose to search things out in the Bible to see if what those preachers are telling us is true. If they’re wrong, we’re suppose to warn others, not stick our head in the stand. And because we disagree doesn’t mean we’re arguing and fighting. We must warn the others:
1 Timothy 1
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
2To Timothy my true son in the faith:
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Warning Against False Teachers of the Law
3As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work—which is by faith. 5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
karen I couldn’t agree with you more. But I still feel like saying things like this:
“Whenever the City Business Church has blogged about Jonah Judah, a few of his blind devoted followers whine about it rise up in defense of him despite his immature antics as an anointed man of God. And so, to cheeze off Judah’s groupies I listened to an entire message oh the nausea of it, to experience the hot air anointedness for myself.”
:is unneccessary…not only is it insulting judah, but it insults anyone who would be considered, according to this blog, a “blind devoted” follower. I happen to know more than a few people who have come from the city church seattle who are annointed, who do help the poor, who live for anyone but themselves and who have been a huge blessing in my walk with Christ. Without these people, I’m not sure I would even still be a believer and while I understand your point of view, I still can’t bring myself to agree to making fun of a Church (no matter how much I disagree with their doctrine of tithing) in an effort to
“3… command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work—which is by faith. 5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.”
I just don’t see the connection…perhaps you could all help me.
April 26th, 2007 at 5:30 am
Anon, dear … it’s a parody blog - read the masthead (at the very very top) …
Also note that the paragraph you quoted - all the offensive words were lined out. Uh, that’s parody - giving the reader a glimpse into what I wanted to say, but resisted and typed something more charitable instead.
The truth is, several of the people writing on this blog, are elders in Christ - several of us are 50+ years old, myself included, each old enough to be Judah’s father. Many of us have been in the Lord since before Judah was even born. We’ve come through the allure of conforming to the world, the notions of having a ‘ministry’ and the power trip that brings, to brokenness and wanting nothing more, or less, than Jesus. It is because we have been there and done that and come through it, that it is so painful to watch Judah struggle with the same things now and watch as his zeal consumes him and his followers and thrusts many MANY into error.
To be honest, there’s a bit of self-reflection in what I write about Judah - roll back the clock 30 years, and I’m looking in the mirror - well - except for the Nordy clothes and goofy hair and fake accent and … but I was chomping at the bit to ‘go pro’ with my music ministry - doing concerts, dressing up, strutting a stage and quoting from the bible in my raised hand … but there are also things I never did, that Judah does routinely, that I knew in my Spirit then, and know now that are flat out wrong and NOT of God - the guilt/shame/ridicule, sexual innuendo, money grubbing stuff …
The few serious pieces I’ve written on Judah do go easy on him - as one who has been there and done that - and if it were ever given to me to be his friend or mentor, I would not hesitate to tell him to his face what I think of what he’s doing - what I discern in the Spirit - and frankly, spank him - he needs it. With love of course.
Anon - every one of us here have come out of that stuff, or are waking up to it and coming out of it - the religious circus - the silly crap we do in corporate assemblies - follow the leader - pretending to be all religious - so we recognize it - and when we tease about it, parody it, mock it, I hope you understand that the old saying is true - where there is one finger pointed at Judah, there are 3 pointing back at me. It’s only because we’ve been there and have woke up to it that we see it now …
There will come a day I assure you, when Judah will grow up, mature, put off the old man, and laugh about himself and what he did - and though he may never admit it to his proselytes, he will grieve for those he brought to Christ by falsehood and manipulation, antics and theatrics - he will weep that he didn’t simply show them a more humble and loving Judah, and that he didn’t keep the focus Christ and Him crucified …
Sam
April 26th, 2007 at 10:56 am
“Anon - every one of us here have come out of that stuff, or are waking up to it and coming out of it - the religious circus - the silly crap we do in corporate assemblies…”
Thank you Anon. I think the new people here need to read the other posts on this blog. I read for MONTHS before I said a word and I am sure others have as well. It would be one thing if it was just CBC, Frank, Doug, Judah and that group but if you look on other posts just on this site and then search on the internet it’s not just stories with this group of people. There are stories of many people from different churches/the last revival that have horror stories to tell.
And yes these types of things have been going on in the church for decades but it seems that in the past 10 to 15 years the devil has been working overtime. The prosperity, WOF, signs and wonders movements/doctrines made things 10 times worse.
April 26th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Well, I don’t like to speak on things I don’t know and I don’t know anything about Jonah Judah. I’m not a groupy of his. I just feel this is a safe place to state my opinions.
Here’s something that annoys me…someone calling theirself annointed or worse yet, referring to someone else as annointed. Why does it annoy me? If you look in the dictionary annointed isn’t even there. “Annoint” is and it means to rub oil or ointment on 2. to put oil on in a ceremony of consecration. Annointing of the sick is a sacrament in which a priest anoints with oil and prayers for a person dying, in danger of death, or otherwise critically ill, infirm, or distrubed. I did a Bible search and found that Jesus is the annoited one. Singular not plural. In my opinion, people use this word out of context it to exalt themselves or someone else. Making up a new word with a new meaning…as if it really means something spectacular or should I say spiritual..making them sound more spiritual than what they really are a new term to exalt oneself… I remember reading in the Bible that Jesus is the annointed one. This is singular not plural. If my memory serves me correctly there was someone else in the Old Testament who was considered annointed I think he was the person who didn’t die. He went straight to Heaven and escaped death. I used to wonder about people calling themselves annointed. I hear it the most among properity preachers-false teachers of the law. Try actually finding the word in the Bible - go online and do a Bible search…Let me know if you find it. Let me know how it is used.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:46 am
Hi Karen,
Anoint/ed/ing is several places in the NT … typically means to apply some substance to a person - oil, spices, ointment, clay and spittle, spikenard:?, the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:38), etc.
Scripture also says that we ALL are anointed, by God, through the Holy Spirit - whether we are anointed with the ‘oil of gladness’ (Hebrews 1:9), or God who has anointed us with Christ (1 John 2:27).
Anointing also seems to be used in the context of commissioning , as in the following:
Luke 4:18-19 KJV The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, (19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
So when someone borrows that O/T verse: ‘touch not mine anointed’ (1 Chronicles 16:22 and Psalms 105:15), is that scripture used in context of anointing with the Holy Spirit with which every believer is anointed, or in the context of commission, which would seem to limit the instruction to just those who are appointed by God to a specific mission?
Is there a difference between the Greek “anointed” meaning to pour oil upon or pour the Holy Spirit upon, and the Hebrew “mine anointed” which seems to imply God’s designee for service?
The Hebrew in 1 Ch. 16:22 and Ps. 105:15 is:
H4899
משׁיח
mâshîyach
maw-shee’-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.
(Notice the catholic flavor of the definition above, tying “anointed” to “priests and saints”)
I’m more interested however in the word “anointed” being used specifically for the Messiah, IN whom all believers have life, and who resides IN us. IF we are IN the anointed one and the anointed one is IN us, are we not also anointed? If we have the Holy Spirit, which God has poured out upon ALL FLESH (Acts 2:17), aren’t we all anointed by God?
There’s 6 Greek words in the N/T translated anoint/ed/ing - 4 of them mean the application of oil, etc., and 2 of them mean commissioning for a service.
The word ‘anointing’ in Luke 4:18, Acts 4:27, Ats 10:38, 1 Corinthians 1:21, Hebrews 1:9, is:
G5548
χρίω
chriō
khree’-o
Probably akin to G5530 through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, that is, (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service: - anoint.
The ‘anointing’ spoken of in 1 John 2:27 is:
G5545
χρίσμα
chrisma
khris’-mah
From G5548; an unguent or smearing, that is, (figuratively) the special endowment (“chrism”) of the Holy Spirit: - anointing, unction.
The former ‘anointing’ for consecration to office or religious service, is used 3 times to describe the anointing of Jesus (Luke 4:18, Acts 4:27, Acts 10:38), 1 time to describe the anointing of the apostles (2 Corinthians 2:1), and once to describe the anointing of the Hebrews with the ‘oil of gladness’ (Hebrews 1:9).
Where ‘anointing’ meaning commission is used ONLY for Jesus and the apostles, is it right for modern day ministers/pastors, etc., to take the term ‘anointing’ for themselves, as if to set them apart from other believers who are also in Christ, and therefore anointed? Where we are gathered and joined together IN Christ, do we not also share the same commissioning anointing as Christ? Are we not all vessels of Christ as witnesses in the world?
The definition of the one word ‘anointing’ specified ‘kings and priests’ - according to scripture, we are ALL kings (Revelation 1:6) and priests (1 Peter 2:5, Revelation 5:10).
So the leaders appointed by men who cry “touch not mine anointed” - are they really any different than anyone else who is in Christ Jesus?
April 27th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Judah is self-annointed and self-appointed…
wait…
Father-annointed and Father appointed….
Wow. They really ARE copying!
April 27th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Sam,
Wow, thanks “Jesus” for that illumination on judgment to come.
May I ask a deep, theological question…..perhaps, are you just a little jealous you never amounted to Judah’s level?!?!
Obviously, your answer will be no, but the epilogue you wrote speaks volumes of the truth. just saying old man, just saying.
be careful….you have a judgment coming too…maybe you should just focus on prophesying that one.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
yes, because people getting healed is an atrocity!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, once again my winner for DRAMA QUEEN.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
“May I ask a deep, theological question…..perhaps, are you just a little jealous you never amounted to Judah’s level?!?!”
LOL! Considering the fact that Judah had everything handed to him no. And what are you talking about exactly? That comment screams ego and vanity. Rae you’re just begging to get ragged on but it won’t be by me I’m staying out of this one lol. No wonder you love Judah so much.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Yo, RAE!
KMA, OK?
April 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
I told you you dont know what happened and you never responded to that and I am not the only one speaking out, there are thousands of people speaking out. I willleave you to the other posters claws. Show me how those signs/wonders are scriptual? Scripture is found in the bible, go read it.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
She hasn’t backed up anything she said with scripture Heathen. DOn’t waste your time.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Sam is as jealous of Judah Smith as he is of Paris Hilton………..herpes and all LOL!
April 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Drama Queen,
Ohhhhhhh……….so Wendell forced Judah to get up one time and preach and he forced him to be good. So what if his dad’s the pastor??? in order to sound as silly and cheesy as you…..aren’t we suppose to go about our father’s business????? sounds like the way you like to quote scripture so i’m trying to make it easy for you.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
“like the way you like to quote scripture so i’m trying to make it easy for you.”
That’s what we are suppose to do to prove a point as Christians, use the scripture RayRay, but hey that’s just me lol. You havne’t posted ONE scripture yet. The only cheesehead here is you. You know what this blog is about and you’re still here posting.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
DQ,
You’re right….you should just let the others respond…..its a little over your head.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Attention RAE:
Ted Haggard called, he wants you back, or was that, your backside?
April 27th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Over my head, like the bible is over your head but it doesn’t seem like you’re too bright as it is. You do realized you posted all this stuff and your IP address has been logged right!!!?!! You really are a genius. Thank God the owners of this site are alot nicer than I am……………..most of the time LOL! This should be fun.
April 27th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Wow, RH. I must’ve of really ruffled your feathers cuz that’s all ya got?!?!
You guys make Judah, Frank, Wendell, and the rest look pretty good….
keep on keeping on…..cuz i think you’re only making people like you less and them more……
April 27th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
“Attention RAE:
Ted Haggard called, he wants you back, or was that, your backside?”
Wow that’s a bit much even for me LOL!
April 27th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Wow that was weird. All these CBC lovers are so scary and dumb. The only one I like so far is David Mackin at least he uses scripture and tries to make sense. I
April 27th, 2007 at 2:49 pm