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Generation Church Blog

Posted on October 31st, 2006 by catalyst into the Uncategorized category

Filed under the if you can't beat 'em-join 'em category, CBC's youth ministry, Generation Church has started a blog.

It is currently the most.boring.blog.ever. But hey, they're new at this, so I'll give them a chance.

67 Comments To This Post

  1. Henri The Amazing said:    

    They need a new logo. ;)

    What are the odds it doesn’t last more then a few weeks?

    What are the the odds they’ll be moderating the comments?

    A blog can be a very dangerous thing. Are they ready for it?

  2. An Unscrupulous Man said:    

    Mmmmm … Blog wars … ;)

  3. Reformed Pope said:    

    Who recalls when Ole Dougie Lasit sent out a letter to all the parents of his youth warning of the dangers of MySpace…because it “is a blog”?

    Times have changed. First Marc Estes falls to the blogging demons and now the whole youth group is going down.

    Let us pray.

  4. FICM said:    

    Hey Pope, you should see if anyone still has a copy of that letter so you can post it. I’d love to see this hypocrisy in action.

  5. Not-Anonymous said:    

    Here you go FICM:

    MySpace Letter

  6. Grey Sheep said:    

    How ironic that some of their imagery is a person with no head!

  7. FICM said:    

    Ah, I forgot all about that. Sorry.

    I wonder how many clicks it takes to get from their blog to pages that contain “nudity, bad language, and content that is inappropriate”. This is a blog after all.

  8. Karli said:    

    Okay, that letter is lame. Sheltering yourself & your kids is not the answer–everything in this world (the Internet is only one example) is essentially two clicks away from somewhere you don’t want to be or something with which you might not want to be involved. So, you run across something you don’t want to see online? That’s what your MOUSE is for. I’d hope they are teaching their youth the strengths of PERSONAL DISCIPLINE, which is of much greater importance in this world than avoidance & redirection. Plus, I think we all know what naked people look like. It’s not a big deal unless you make it a big deal, and the church has a long history of making sex & nudity too much of a big deal. What’s more important is learning to handle yourself intelligently & respectfully so that you can deal with the tough shit in life when it comes your way.
    Karli

  9. Toxic Church Refugee said:    

    Reformed Pope on October 31, 2006 at 8:45 am said:

    Who recalls when Ole Dougie Lasit sent out a letter to all the parents of his youth warning of the dangers of MySpace…because it “is a blog”?

    Times have changed. First Marc Estes falls to the blogging demons and now the whole youth group is going down.

    Let us pray.

    Kind of like the mormons who decided it was ok to drink pepsi after they bought the plant or our black brethren were finally accepted after the revelation. hmmm

  10. An Unscrupulous Man said:    

    Forgot how close you are to mormon country, TCR. Do mormon missionaries ride horses out your way? ;)

  11. Toxic Church Refugee said:    

    Ha, ha, you’d think. No, they ride mountain bikes and slim tires these days in their black suits and helmets. Instead of serving a mandatory 2 years in the military like Israeli 18 year olds, they serve 2 years going door to door riding bicycles.

  12. Reformed Pope said:    

    So Pastor Doug… I hate to be a tattle-tale but it appears that Generation Unleashed (formerly Conquest) has a myspace page.

    I thought you might want to know.

    (In case you don’t know what to do with it, just file it under hypocrisy with all the rest of your baggage)

    I’d post a link to it, but then our blog would only be a couple of clicks away from inappropriate material.

  13. Reformed Pope said:    

    I found inappropriate material 5 clicks from Gen Unleashed myspace page.

    Anybody think they can beat that?

    (No. You can’t count the Yes on 43 site as inappropriate)

  14. catalyst said:    

    I just added Gen Unleashed as My Friend to my “MySpace” page.

    So now they’re only 1 click away from inappropriate material.

  15. HBourne said:    

    Did they actually approve you?

  16. catalyst said:    

    ahhh…. sadly no, they didn’t approve me.

    What’s a boy gotta do to get friends around here?

    Hmmm… I may have to disguise myself and try again. This is certainly not over.

  17. Andrea said:    

    So, does City Business Church have a MySpace page?

  18. G.U ROCKS! said:    

    All you people leaving comments have no place to be talking about Generation Unleashed or about Pastor Doug Lasit. Yeah it’s true that there are many other things out there that can pollute young people’s minds, but Pastor Doug is just taking one step further in the corrupting of young people today. I know because I myself am a Youth who attended Generation Unleashed 2006, and it was an event of a lifetime. You all know very well that you can make that myspace page close enough to any other corrupting page, but it’s the web, what do you expect, honestly? Maybe if you have children of your own,you should consider sending them to Generation unleashed, and then they can come back and have an influence on your way of thinking.

  19. WTFWJD said:    

    G.U. Rocks:
    Do you have a my space page? If so, why? What do you think about the letter that pastor Doug sent to the Youth saying:

    If your child has posted a page we feel that it would be wise to have them remove it. Although they may be innocently commenting and communicating with their friends, they are only a couple of clicks away from inappropriate material.

    If you have a page, will you remove it because pastor doug asked you too? Or will you continue to live in rebellion?

  20. G.U ROCKS! said:    

    WTFWJD on November 15, 2006 at 11:09 am said:

    G.U. Rocks:
    Do you have a my space page? If so, why? What do you think about the letter that pastor Doug sent to the Youth saying:

    If your child has posted a page we feel that it would be wise to have them remove it. Although they may be innocently commenting and communicating with their friends, they are only a couple of clicks away from inappropriate material.

    If you have a page, will you remove it because pastor doug asked you too? Or will you continue to live in rebellion?

    i don’t have a my space page because i feel no need for it. and if you read Pastor Doug’s letter carefully, it states WE FEEL!, not have your kid take it off or we’re gunna kick them out of the church. and like i stated before, he’s just trying to help youth from the dangers out there. yeah there’s more and more everywhere, but at least he’s stepping up and taking that step of faith in trying to prevent it. and yeah, if i DID have a myspace page, i would remove it for the ponts Pastor Doug is trying to make.

  21. WTFWJD said:    

    And you see no problem with telling people that you FEEL that something is wrong, and dangerous… and then exposing them to it? By having a page, they are endorsing myspace, and encouraging the youth to use it.

  22. An Unscrupulous Man said:    

    Yeah it’s true that there are many other things out there that can pollute young people’s minds, but Pastor Doug is just taking one step further in the corrupting of young people today.

    So you are saying that pastor Doug corrupts young people?!?

  23. Former Inner Circle Member said:    

    An Unscrupulous Man on November 15, 2006 at 11:27 am said:

    Yeah it’s true that there are many other things out there that can pollute young people’s minds, but Pastor Doug is just taking one step further in the corrupting of young people today.

    So you are saying that pastor Doug corrupts young people?!?

    I thought the same thing. Hooray for proofreading!

  24. G.U ROCKS! said:    

    Former Inner Circle Member on November 15, 2006 at 11:35 am said:

    An Unscrupulous Man on November 15, 2006 at 11:27 am said:

    Yeah it’s true that there are many other things out there that can pollute young people’s minds, but Pastor Doug is just taking one step further in the corrupting of young people today.

    So you are saying that pastor Doug corrupts young people?!?

    I thought the same thing. Hooray for proofreading!

    sorry we’re not all perfect! He’s trying to help correct the corruption of young people today! Happy now!

  25. An Unscrupulous Man said:    

    sorry we’re not all perfect! He’s trying to help correct the corruption of young people today! Happy now!

    Yes. Thanks for making us look smart. :twisted:

  26. G.U ROCKS! said:    

    An Unscrupulous Man on November 15, 2006 at 11:46 am said:

    sorry we’re not all perfect! He’s trying to help correct the corruption of young people today! Happy now!

    Yes. Thanks for making us look smart. :twisted:

    sorry, but it doesn’t make you look smart! you may think it does, but it doesn’t. you can all say whatever you feel about Pastor Doug and his outlook on My space, cuz that’s what this page is for, but you’re pretty much doing the same thing that you’re accusing Pastor Doug of doing. Maybe you should think about that!

  27. Former Inner Circle Member said:    

    hahaha

    Last time I checked I didn’t write a letter to concerned parents warning them against the dangers of MySpace and then create a church-sponsored MySpace page to encourage young people to use it. I just helped to comment on the hypocrisy of doing so. Unless you feel that blogging and commenting on the internet is inherently evil, and then, well, look who is in trouble now, Miss Commenter-on-an-Evil-blog! Guess who just lost their “anointing”? Maybe if you tithe extra this week, God will forgive you.

    Dang, now I want to change my username to “Commenter on an Evil Blog”. Yes, with a capital “E”.

    MUH HA HA HA haaaaaaaaa

  28. the fathers daughter said:    

    “”"”hahaha

    Last time I checked I didn’t write a letter to concerned parents warning them against the dangers of MySpace and then create a church-sponsored MySpace page to encourage young people to use it. I just helped to comment on the hypocrisy of doing so. Unless you feel that blogging and commenting on the internet is inherently evil, and then, well, look who is in trouble now, Miss Commenter-on-an-Evil-blog! Guess who just lost their “anointing”? Maybe if you tithe extra this week, God will forgive you.

    Dang, now I want to change my username to “Commenter on an Evil Blog”. Yes, with a capital “E”.

    MUH HA HA HA haaaaaaaaa “”"”"

    There is a little something we are missing here…the entire point that you all are trying to make is that “Ole Dougie” is a hypocrit?
    Who among you can sit there and say that you have never said something that would be considered questionable?
    I know I sure have…..
    But we should look at the motivation behind the action…the impact he’s trying to make….it comes from a parent like concern…and by posting a Myspace page, that just means that he’s willing to get out there and help…..I mean, who did Jesus hang out with? Was it the “holy people”, the people who were already “right”? No Jesus dived into the sinners, the prostitutes, and the damned…but his actions while being around that group set him apart…..now I dont know about you, but when I flip through myspace, i eventually start to come across 14 and 15 year olds dressing like their 20, drinking beer, and portaying themselves as ….well…easy to get……then we all wonder why they get online and start talking to sexual predators……….So you see, the real responsibility lies with the parents of these kids, because you know what, until your 18, your parents should be able to have some control over how you portray yourself, after that, its really up to your discretion….
    and have you seen some of these “christian” girls websites? yeah, if they were my kid, Id be kickin their butt….
    so overall, that letter might come across as “strict”, or whatever you might be able to refer to it as, but considering that alot of parents are from an older generation that does not have the working knowledge of the internet and Myspace as we do, wouldnt it be nice for someone to let you know that there is a possiblity that your child cold be associating with sexual predators, people they dont even know, and even people that live around the same area that might pressure them to do something they havent done before? One of the buttons on myspace is “invite”….and the majority of that is used for what? parties……

    THis issue is no joke, I am afraid to say…..we must keep focus on what is important, like protecting kids, instead of sitting here, writing little blogs about whats wrong with Doug’s letter….i have alot of friends he has turned to God…..in fact, he just recently helped my sister who is a recovering meth addict to turn to God……his motives are true…so I would ask you to please open your eyes to that…..
    and you know what else? No one is perfect, I most certainly am not and do not wish to say that anyone else is either….
    I dont know about you, but when I wake up in the morning, I dont think about hate letters Im going to write, or how many sins I can get away with today…..I push my hardest to do what I know is right, and if I think something needs to be changed, I take action to do what I can to change it…this is what i believe he is trying to do…..and no one should ever be cut down for doing something that can only help to protect kids…..

  29. WTFWJD said:    

    .and no one should ever be cut down for doing something that can only help to protect kids….

    Hypocrisy will only continue to hurt kids. Not protect them.

    (GU Rocks: You ignoring me?)

  30. the fathers daughter said:    

    WTFWJD on November 15, 2006 at 1:26 pm said:

    .and no one should ever be cut down for doing something that can only help to protect kids….

    Hypocrisy will only continue to hurt kids. Not protect them.

    (GU Rocks: You ignoring me?)

    …your more scared of exposing your child to hypocrisy, a mistake we all make from time to time, (including you), than a rapist who might be on the prowl for a little girl?
    let me guess, your not a parent…..
    and thats very sad…out of my whole blog the only thing you got out of it is that Im promoting hypocricy?
    Maybe there’s something a little more important that you didnt see….at some point and time in their lives, children will not only learn of hypocrisy, but a long list of bad things they can choose to do or not…and ou and I know very well that there are things out there far worse than hypocrisy. like murder…..which can they live with and overcome? I think that would be hypocrisy…..wouldnt it?
    and you know what? I know GU rocks personally, and she is one of the most Godly, kind, and generous people I know….she is not ignoring you at all she is keeping her focus on what the important issue is in this blog….and I am as well…..
    if you have never committed the act of hypocricy, knowingly or unknowingly, speak up so that I can learn from you, but as far as im concerned, Jesus was the only one able to do that….correct me if I am wrong

  31. the fathers daughter said:    

    oh and WTFWJD is your name right? yeah, Im sure he’d really support your crusade against hypocrisy…if taking a saying that has saved lives (wwjd) and turning it into a joke is funny, this issue must be funny to you as well, and in that case, I wouldnt be trying to make people take me seriously……God cares about children, and he says to take care of them the best you can……this includes discipline, and people who support that discipline……

  32. John444 said:    

    Call me “Legion” - for I have 3 MySpace pages. :shock:

  33. the fathers daughter said:    

    John444 on November 15, 2006 at 1:51 pm said:

    Call me “Legion” - for I have 3 MySpace pages. :shock:

    lol…..naw, I have one too…..but that’s not the point lol that smiley face is a killer
    :D

  34. Former Inner Circle Member said:    

    Just how does GC having a MySpace page help to protect kids? It doesn’t, in the same way “Christian Rock” doesn’t keep teenagers from listening to Marilyn Manson. CBC has had its fair share of kids smoking pot and having sex after GC meetings. Providing churchy alternatives never kept any teenager from finding trouble. Parents have been trying for as long as I can remember, but it always fails. Maybe they should instead concentrate on making positive choices as opposed to trying yet another poor method of control.

    Doug’s letter against MySpace reminded me of the scene in the musical “The Music Man”, where the con-artist gets all the people worked up against the local pool hall in an attempt to sell them band instruments. But Doug was less subtle in that now he’s trying to sell his version of a pool hall.

    Oh, but don’t mind me. I’m not a parent. What do I know?

  35. Reformed Pope said:    

    if taking a saying that has saved lives (wwjd)…

    Uh, since when did a saying ever save anyones life?

    I’m sure God really appreciates you giving a damn bracelet credit for salvation… just like Doug appreciates you explaining that hypocrisy isn’t bad because it’s better than rape or murder…

    I’m sure you are a great parent.

  36. An Unscrupulous Man said:    

    Uh, since when did a saying ever save anyones life?

    Don’t drink and drive.
    Don’t let friends drive drunk.
    Don’t do drugs.
    Don’t bungee jump from an overpass.

    The 4th one saved my life, JP.

  37. the fathers daughter said:    

    i was implying the meaning behind that saying……….
    I NEVER EVER said that hypocricy isnt bad…i said that everyone does it….THATS something NO ONE has commented on ……
    Why? because you all have done it as well, huh?
    Not so funny, is it?

    And by the way, Im not a parent either…Im an 18 year old college student who works full time…….i had a really crappy life….i lived in a house where there were holes in the wall and I didnt have a bed…..and you know what? my parents were supportive when it came to dealing drugs and other things when it came to paying rent…..
    But you know what?
    Salvation can be found through any means, whether it all starts with a huge breakdown, or just thinking “what would jesus do?” once…you end up in the same place, brother….on your knees asking for forgivness for all the things youve done wrong………..you will see that someday when you are ready……….
    I had one person to help turn my life around…he’s a pastor as well……without his help and guidance to God, I would be dead………he taught me discipline, and that it is possible to lead a good moral life when you are surrounded everywhere by sin………he was willing to TRY to help me…..that is what made all the difference……..
    Doug wrote that letter with one thing in mind…….the kids of those parents he sent the letter too…nothing you could say in this chat room could ever change that……………I honestly do hope that one day you will be able to understand God’s mercy and how good it is…i hope he blesses you with everything he’s got, because after all….were all just humans too right?

    Because of people like Doug who aare willing to reach out and try to make a difference, I have become a better, more productive person than I ever could have been without it…….and I am thankful for that everyday….I just beg of you all………put yourself in Doug and mine’s and GU rocks’s shoes……….

  38. Reformed Pope said:    

    I NEVER EVER said that hypocricy isnt bad…i said that everyone does it….THATS something NO ONE has commented on ……

    Did Doug teach you the “everyone does it so its not a sin” rule too?

    “Yeah I lied to you, but everyone lies… at least I didn’t murder you”.

    Praise the Lord.

  39. WTFWJD said:    

    I’m going back to your whole post @ “November 15th, 2006 at 1:37 pm”.
    In everything you’ve written, you presume a lot sweetie. But that’s ok, I’ll let it go for now.

    if you have never committed the act of hypocricy, knowingly or unknowingly, speak up so that I can learn from you

    Since we all seem to agree that this is hypocrisy then there’s really no need to keep discussing this. Thanks for bringing up this old topic though.

  40. Former Inner Circle Member said:    

    FD,

    I’m glad for you that you got your life turned around, I really am. But you seem to have taken this argument rather personally. We have nothing against you. The whole point of this post has nothing to do with you, your changed life, or what you ate for breakfast. If you had said that because of the GC MySpace page you had given your life to Christ, and been freed from a terrible lifestyle, I would gladly have eaten my words and given praise to God for a miracle where I least expected it. But it didn’t happen that way, did it?

    You feel you must defend Doug and his actions because of the good he’s been able to bring in your life. I’m not negating the good, just pointing out the bad. That’s kinda what we do around here. We look at the glaring errors/hypocrisy/abuse and make fun of them. I don’t follow Doug around and nitpick every tiny action, but I will make fun of the big ones that any reasonable person should recognize as just plain folly. It’s especially easy to do when the CBC leadership says one thing and does another.

    For those of you GC kids that don’t understand what I mean, let me try and break it down for you another way…

    Doug: “ZOMG, MySpace suckz!”
    Doug: “Yo, check our MySpace page! It pwnz!”

    OLOL

  41. the fathers daughter said:    

    Reformed Pope on November 15, 2006 at 3:32 pm said:

    I NEVER EVER said that hypocricy isnt bad…i said that everyone does it….THATS something NO ONE has commented on ……

    Did Doug teach you the “everyone does it so its not a sin” rule too?

    “Yeah I lied to you, but everyone lies… at least I didn’t murder you”.

    Praise the Lord.

    Pope’s rape children……thats a joke we should all join in on

  42. the fathers daughter said:    

    Reformed Pope on November 15, 2006 at 2:44 pm said:

    if taking a saying that has saved lives (wwjd)…

    Uh, since when did a saying ever save anyones life?

    I’m sure God really appreciates you giving a damn bracelet credit for salvation… just like Doug appreciates you explaining that hypocrisy isn’t bad because it’s better than rape or murder…

    I’m sure you are a great parent.

    wow………..you really tend to take the easy road dont you? WE ALL COMMIT SIN DAILY, DO WE NOT?
    and HOW DID DOUG LIE? He gave out a warning to all parents concerning the content in Myspace….is HE ADDING TO THAT NEGATIVE CONTENT? NO!!!
    Of all hypocrisy in the world, I believe there is one more dangerous than all the rest because it can cause more damage,
    and its when people start to pick apart others for the sins they commit….when WE ALL DO IT!!!! Newsflash!
    THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS A RIGHT TO JUDGE YOU OR I OR DOUG IS GOD!!!! I would be leaving that job up to him and not messing with it….Being narrow minded and picking at other’s just shows a reflection of yourself………
    So yet again, I present this question to you,
    have you ever committed the act of hypocrisy?
    You can beat around the bush to not answer that question, but the truth remains…………doesnt it?

    Have you ever committed an act of hypocrisy……?

  43. the fathers daughter said:    

    Former Inner Circle Member on November 15, 2006 at 9:48 pm said:

    FD,

    I’m glad for you that you got your life turned around, I really am. But you seem to have taken this argument rather personally. We have nothing against you. The whole point of this post has nothing to do with you, your changed life, or what you ate for breakfast. If you had said that because of the GC MySpace page you had given your life to Christ, and been freed from a terrible lifestyle, I would gladly have eaten my words and given praise to God for a miracle where I least expected it. But it didn’t happen that way, did it?

    You feel you must defend Doug and his actions because of the good he’s been able to bring in your life. I’m not negating the good, just pointing out the bad. That’s kinda what we do around here. We look at the glaring errors/hypocrisy/abuse and make fun of them. I don’t follow Doug around and nitpick every tiny action, but I will make fun of the big ones that any reasonable person should recognize as just plain folly. It’s especially easy to do when the CBC leadership says one thing and does another.

    For those of you GC kids that don’t understand what I mean, let me try and break it down for you another way…

    Doug: “ZOMG, MySpace suckz!”
    Doug: “Yo, check our MySpace page! It pwnz!”

    OLOL

    HOW DARE YOU!
    How dare you…..say such things….your not really glad Ive turned my life around, you dont even know me, and never will……..Praise God for that one……….
    and you know what? Maybe I didnt change my life because of GC myspace, but someone might…..I simply ask all of you to consider that……and why is it hypocrisy if you do not add to the bad content on myspace? You see, Im 18, and what I choose to post on Myspace is my business because I am a legal adult……I earned that right by getting older……but we are talking about kids under the age of 18……..and you know what? when I was younger, I made a LOT more mistakes than I do now….we all did……..thats the point of growing up…..making mistakes and learning from them ….another part is watching and learning from other people…….the reason there has been such a large yell about myspace is because things HAVE happened…..do you watch the news? If that was your kid, what would you do?

  44. John444 said:    

    FD, I think the point of this post is summed up in a few old sayings:

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    (and)

    Do as I say, not as I do.

    It also reminds me of an old joke … a woman is out beach combing - a viking comes ashore in a row-boat, and then asks her “has a mean and gnarly looking bunch of guys come through this area, raping, pillaging, burning everything in sight?” … the woman says “no” … and the viking says “damn - I wonder where they went - I’m their leader”.

    The humor in this situation is fairly obvious - and very much in line with the sayings and joke above …

    A church leader cautions parents and kids about MySpace. No one heeds his warning - everyone gets a MySpace page. Finally, the church leader goes running after his flock and joins them with his own page.

    Among the amusing questions it leads me to ask is:

    Who is really leading whom? (Or is it Whom is really leading who? That one always confuses me)

    Did the leader figure out what the kids apparently figured out for themselves, that MySpace isn’t as evil and insidious as the leader made it out to be? That seems to be the leader’s tacit admission in putting up a page.

    There’s also the whole issue of having taken a ‘religious’, ‘holy’ position, and then when the entire flock ignores it and does their own thing, the leader ultimately compromises his religion and holiness to re-join his flock.

    What I’m saying isn’t really bad … it’s just honest observation - and Doug isn’t experiencing anything that even the biblical patriarchs haven’t experienced … Aaron had his mob in the desert, while Moses lingered on the mountain, freshly delivered from Egypt - potentially still seeing the cloud by day pillar of fire by night - and a MOB comes to Aaron and says “UP! Make us gods!” … so Aaron gives them what they want to save his skin. Aaron wasn’t faulted with that BTW … he was spared in the judgment that followed.

    Most pastors (and I’m afraid we do love to roast them) are just trying to bridge the gap between a holy/righteous Father and a sinful/fallen world. The people are prone to running off and getting into trouble, the pastor is pleading for them to stop, but when they go ahead and do their own thing, the pastor ultimately rejoins the flock and in so doing often has to soften (compromise) his own position. There’s a way it’s kind of Jesus-like - he accepts the sin of the flock, and joins them, but without committing sin himself, rather tries to set an example.

    Yes, we are all hypocritical.

    I’m on MySpace … I don’t like what I see in a lot of kids’ pages there - I think blogs have become a poor/false substitute for real relationship - imagine reading crap about yourself on a blog posted by one of your own children. Stuff the child won’t confront / discuss with the parent, but just bitches to a bunch of other kids that are “friends” - how real is a MySpace “friend” anyway? It’s no more than an url link - so the reality is the kid has traded away a loving flesh and blood relationship with a parent for some ‘chat’ buddies and ‘friend’ links.

    So, a parent, or a minister has a couple choices: make an issue of it and see people leave, ignore it or join them … the parent has the additional choice of asking to have the page deleted, install spyware, or turn off the internet. Not much of a choice when schools have computer labs and students have accounts …

    So, it’s the leader chasing after his unruly vikings - trying in vain to influence them to holiness. Sure seems like a LOSE-LOSE situation, eh?

    Realistically FD, I think a lot of us laugh at this stuff because we’re tired of crying over it.

    Carry on. ;)

    Jack

  45. Reformed Pope said:    

    Have you ever committed an act of hypocrisy……?

    I’m sorry, I thought the question was rhetorical… allow me to be frank for a moment:

    “I have committed many acts of hypocrisy throughout my life. Please forgive me.”

    On another note you ask:

    and why is it hypocrisy

    Here is what Doug had to say in his letter:

    If your child has posted a page we feel that it would be wise to have them remove it.

    So, when he tells you to take down your site because it is bad and then puts one of his own up…that is hypocrisy.

    and why is it hypocrisy if you do not add to the bad content on myspace?

    Well why don’t you ask Doug about that…he seems to sum it up rather well in his letter:

    Although they may be innocently commenting and communicating with their friends, they are only a couple of clicks away from inappropriate material.

    In Christ,
    Pastor Dougy Lasit

    We are only trying to help.

  46. the fathers daughter said:    

    John444 on November 16, 2006 at 8:15 am said:

    FD, I think the point of this post is summed up in a few old sayings:

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    (and)

    Do as I say, not as I do.

    It also reminds me of an old joke … a woman is out beach combing - a viking comes ashore in a row-boat, and then asks her “has a mean and gnarly looking bunch of guys come through this area, raping, pillaging, burning everything in sight?” … the woman says “no” … and the viking says “damn - I wonder where they went - I’m their leader”.

    The humor in this situation is fairly obvious - and very much in line with the sayings and joke above …

    A church leader cautions parents and kids about MySpace. No one heeds his warning - everyone gets a MySpace page. Finally, the church leader goes running after his flock and joins them with his own page.

    Among the amusing questions it leads me to ask is:

    Who is really leading whom? (Or is it Whom is really leading who? That one always confuses me)

    Did the leader figure out what the kids apparently figured out for themselves, that MySpace isn’t as evil and insidious as the leader made it out to be? That seems to be the leader’s tacit admission in putting up a page.

    There’s also the whole issue of having taken a ‘religious’, ‘holy’ position, and then when the entire flock ignores it and does their own thing, the leader ultimately compromises his religion and holiness to re-join his flock.

    What I’m saying isn’t really bad … it’s just honest observation - and Doug isn’t experiencing anything that even the biblical patriarchs haven’t experienced … Aaron had his mob in the desert, while Moses lingered on the mountain, freshly delivered from Egypt - potentially still seeing the cloud by day pillar of fire by night - and a MOB comes to Aaron and says “UP! Make us gods!” … so Aaron gives them what they want to save his skin. Aaron wasn’t faulted with that BTW … he was spared in the judgment that followed.

    Most pastors (and I’m afraid we do love to roast them) are just trying to bridge the gap between a holy/righteous Father and a sinful/fallen world. The people are prone to running off and getting into trouble, the pastor is pleading for them to stop, but when they go ahead and do their own thing, the pastor ultimately rejoins the flock and in so doing often has to soften (compromise) his own position. There’s a way it’s kind of Jesus-like - he accepts the sin of the flock, and joins them, but without committing sin himself, rather tries to set an example.

    Yes, we are all hypocritical.

    I’m on MySpace … I don’t like what I see in a lot of kids’ pages there - I think blogs have become a poor/false substitute for real relationship - imagine reading crap about yourself on a blog posted by one of your own children. Stuff the child won’t confront / discuss with the parent, but just bitches to a bunch of other kids that are “friends” - how real is a MySpace “friend” anyway? It’s no more than an url link - so the reality is the kid has traded away a loving flesh and blood relationship with a parent for some ‘chat’ buddies and ‘friend’ links.

    So, a parent, or a minister has a couple choices: make an issue of it and see people leave, ignore it or join them … the parent has the additional choice of asking to have the page deleted, install spyware, or turn off the internet. Not much of a choice when schools have computer labs and students have accounts …

    So, it’s the leader chasing after his unruly vikings - trying in vain to influence them to holiness. Sure seems like a LOSE-LOSE situation, eh?

    Realistically FD, I think a lot of us laugh at this stuff because we’re tired of crying over it.

    Carry on. ;)

    Jack

    ok…..you have obviously missed the point as well…….and you know what? A good shepard goes after his flock, even if they are mislead…….doesnt he? and yet again with these cute little Viking stories and whatnot……we are talking about the direction and meaning of someones life……having a misleading myspace page could lead to the destruction and even death of a child, or many children….all its takes is for someone to tell them its ok to go online to chat, but only with their friends………then it leads to other “friendships” EVERYONE on myspace has added at least one person they dont know personally……..and firnds on myspace are not just URL links….ive used myspace to get back in contact with some very good friends of mine I havent seen for a while…..so its not hard to start adding friends of friends etc…..

    and if no one will try to take the lead to stop the threat, who will? Do we need to wait for more kids to become victims? If no one were trying to correct this problem, and in five years the rates of kids being used on this website went up tenfold, you all would be singing a different tune…..Its ok…Ive spoken my piece here with an open heart and the only thing Ive gotten out of you guys is a cold cheek that says Doug is a bad man……Im ok with it….I know him better than any of you ever will, and we will all see who ends up on what side in the end

    Until our dying day, farewell

    P.S. you may say whatever you wish about me on this blog…I will not be checking up on it anymore due to its pointlessness and insignificance…have a good time pouring your negative thoughts onto this webpage……hope you get all the bitching out of your system and are able to move on with your lives

  47. living life said:    

    Farmer’s Daughter—- you are too funny. Where would CBC be without you? It is good to have somebody defend them on this SNL parody/expose.

  48. An Unscrupulous Man said:    

    I know him better than any of you ever will, and we will all see who ends up on what side in the end

    Funny - you paint a “savior’s” little helper image of yourself and Doug - that your MySpace presence is only trying to rescue kids from EVIL! In so doing, you wrap yourself up in ‘holier-than-thou’ religious garb, pretending to be all concerned for people’s souls and working to protect them from evil MySpace and the salivating jaws of hell just waiting for them to post that final fatal blog.

    But!!!! In your comment above, you back-handedly and without remorse consign us to hell. Be honest now. You don’t really care about people’s souls - you only care about people agreeing with you - because in your closed-off religious world agreement with you is how you judge whether someone is going to heaven or hell.

    Thanks for the love, sister. :roll:

    ‘Scrupe

  49. Reformed Pope said:    

    because in your closed-off religious world agreement with you is how you judge whether someone is going to heaven or hell.

    Ain’t that the sad truth about alot of people.

  50. WTFWJD said:    

    P.S. you may say whatever you wish about me on this blog…I will not be checking up on it anymore due to its pointlessness and insignificance…have a good time pouring your negative thoughts onto this webpage……hope you get all the bitching out of your system and are able to move on with your lives

    lol

  51. Former Inner Circle Member said:    

    I know him better than any of you ever will

    I doubt it (although this has nothing to do with the argument). I’ve known Doug since he was a new Christian and watched him “grow up” in the CBC machine. I’ve watched him over the years to see how he’s changed and I’ve seen how he treats people. Some of my closest friends were literally driven away from church and God by his controlling and abusive behavior under the guise of “spiritual authority”. I love Doug but I can’t help but make fun of him for stuff like this.

    I’m glad like you felt you got your say, although I was finally getting used to all the …….. and ……..,

  52. Free From the Matrix said:    

    FD, many of us have known Doug for years and years, and have known him WELL, so please forgive us if we don’t defer to your knowledge of him. I hope that he never hurts you. But, if he doesn’t, some other Christian leader likely will. Because they’re human. So, *I urge you to put your trust in the Lord, not in men.*

    Former Inner Circle,
    I’ve also known Doug since he first became a Christian. I walked closely with him for several years, until his marriage brought about serious nepotism and then he slowly sold his soul to climb the ladder of the MFI system. As soon as his “transformation” began, I got the heck out of the way. He has done some horrible stuff to some of my close friends, as well. He’s not even remotely the same person, and that’s NOT a compliment, is it?

  53. the fathers daughter said:    

    AHAHAHAHa…….you guys are great!
    You know whats really funny
    Im not Christian
    in fact Im against all organized religion
    I dont know Doug
    I dont have a sister
    and you know whats best?
    I live in a completely different state!
    This entire blog is a joke

    and this just goes to prove that people can say whatever they want on the internet and not have a clue as to whats on the other side

    lets hope your children never run into someone as good at lying as I am :)

  54. the fathers daughter said:    

    An Unscrupulous Man on November 16, 2006 at 10:39 am said:

    I know him better than any of you ever will, and we will all see who ends up on what side in the end

    Funny - you paint a “savior’s” little helper image of yourself and Doug - that your MySpace presence is only trying to rescue kids from EVIL! In so doing, you wrap yourself up in ‘holier-than-thou’ religious garb, pretending to be all concerned for people’s souls and working to protect them from evil MySpace and the salivating jaws of hell just waiting for them to post that final fatal blog.

    But!!!! In your comment above, you back-handedly and without remorse consign us to hell. Be honest now. You don’t really care about people’s souls - you only care about people agreeing with you - because in your closed-off religious world agreement with you is how you judge whether someone is going to heaven or hell.

    Thanks for the love, sister. :roll:

    ‘Scrupe

    oh dont worry, it was all a lie!
    :D

  55. the fathers daughter said:    

    WTFWJD on November 16, 2006 at 10:44 am said:

    P.S. you may say whatever you wish about me on this blog…I will not be checking up on it anymore due to its pointlessness and insignificance…have a good time pouring your negative thoughts onto this webpage……hope you get all the bitching out of your system and are able to move on with your lives

    lol

    and you know what…I actually think your name is pretty funny…..

  56. the fathers daughter said:    

    oh and I was wondering…whats everyones myspace names? Ill add you all as friends………

  57. Red deVille said:    

    http://www.myspace.com/myfriendsarejerks

  58. Reformed Pope said:    

    If you can’t beat them, join them… right Julia?

    For those who wish to continue this lovely conversation with Ms. Julia Reynolds you can email her at julia_reynolds@dell.com.

    Thanks for playing.

  59. WTFWJD said:    

    I think I’d like this better if I was high right now.

  60. Locutus said:    

    WTFWJD on November 16, 2006 at 2:10 pm said:

    I think I’d like this better if I was high right now.

    No, it isn’t any better.

  61. Former Inner Circle Member said:    

    WTFWJD on November 16, 2006 at 2:10 pm said:

    I think I’d like this better if I was high right now.

    Don’t forget to bring a towel!

  62. the fathers daughter said:    

    Former Inner Circle Member on November 17, 2006 at 6:39 am said:

    WTFWJD on November 16, 2006 at 2:10 pm said:

    I think I’d like this better if I was high right now.

    Don’t forget to bring a towel!

    oh yeah I do that too….

    Reformed Pope on November 16, 2006 at 2:09 pm said:

    If you can’t beat them, join them… right Julia?

    For those who wish to continue this lovely conversation with Ms. Julia Reynolds you can email her at julia_reynolds@dell.com.

    Thanks for playing.

    I was lying the whole time kitten…theres no joining the other side Ive been a leader on the other side for YEARs!!!! lol
    Pretty damn deceptive…..eh do you guys care? I really dont

  63. the fathers daughter said:    

    Former Inner Circle Member on November 17, 2006 at 6:39 am said:

    WTFWJD on November 16, 2006 at 2:10 pm said:

    I think I’d like this better if I was high right now.

    Don’t forget to bring a towel!

    oh yeah I do that too….

    Reformed Pope on November 16, 2006 at 2:09 pm said:

    If you can’t beat them, join them… right Julia?

    For those who wish to continue this lovely conversation with Ms. Julia Reynolds you can email her at julia_reynolds@dell.com.

    Thanks for playing.

    I was lying the whole time kitten…theres no joining the other side Ive been a leader on the other side for YEARs!!!! lol
    Pretty damn deceptive…..eh do you guys care? I really dont
    and pope…get off your power trip and go feel up some little kids, it’ll make you feel better lol do you have a myspace?

  64. Former Inner Circle Member said:    

    Actually, your posts helped to inspire WTFWJD into coming up with that 5 stages post. And for that, I give you a hearty “Thank you!”

    http://www.citybusinesschurch.org/blog/2006/11/16/the-5-stages-that-make-this-worthwhile

  65. the fathers daughter said:    

    Former Inner Circle Member on November 17, 2006 at 7:19 am said:

    Actually, your posts helped to inspire WTFWJD into coming up with that 5 stages post. And for that, I give you a hearty “Thank you!”

    http://www.citybusinesschurch.org/blog/2006/11/16/the-5-stages-that-make-this-worthwhile

    eh….organized religion will always have incredible amounts of hypocrisy…..Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, book of Mormon

    yeah it doesnt really strike interest anymore after people do their homework…..
    oh, and just to let you know, you can contact me at julia_reynolds@dell.com if you wanna talk …thank you pope……..would you like to give them my cell # as well? :p lol

  66. ... said:    

    haha some ppl are so eager to trash other ppl that they say stupid stuff and don’t you think it is wrong to slander other people especially those that God has ordained? seriously, pastor doug lasit is doing his best to keep young ppl passionate for God and people like that shouldn’t be talked about like this especially if they havent been doing anything wrong

  67. An Unscrupulous Man said:    

    said:
    March 28th, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    … trash … stupid … wrong … slander …

    Having your period, eh? How many dots do you log in with for just PMS?

    ‘Scrupe

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