White, Christian, Twenty-somethings, for Barack Obama
Posted on February 1st, 2008 by Reformed Pope into the Christian Pop Culture categoryAfter watching both the Republican and Democratic debates over the last couple of days, AND after a long and thorough look into each candidate's stance on the issues, AND after a heated debate of our own…City Business Church has decided to officially come out and endorse:
BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT
We represent White, Christian, Twenty-somethings, for Barack Obama (a small but growing contingent).
On a side note, how much will it help our leader Barack that Super Tuesday is taking place during Black History Month?
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February 1st, 2008 at 9:44 am
Sadly, I’m actually 30. But still a fan of Obama!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:24 am
Regardless of the fact that he is Democrat, because I honestly could get “past that” unlike some hard-line Republicans. I have to take a moral stand on voting for who is going to lead this nation. For me it depends on what their stance is on issues that are close to my beliefs. Two of those issues are abortion and same-sex marriages. He is for both of these issues. I don’t know about you, but I could not align myself with someone who believes that it is okay to murder an innocent child while still in the womb. That is morally reprehensible to me and I believe to God as well. As for the same-sex marriage issue, it is the same as the abortion issue. I cannot and will not align myself to someone who has different standards then what my beliefs are.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:39 am
Hey, that’s great. You need to vote for who you think will do the best job leading this country.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am
But you are ok with killing an innocent Iraqi while still in the desert?
(and for the record, as i understand it, Barack is personally opposed to abortion, but politically supports a woman’s right to choose.)
Furthermore, HOW MUCH DOES GOD VALUE A LIFE?
I know the religious 21 century Christian likes to talk about how “God is love” and such, but seriously people, have you read the old testament? God killed all kinds of Women, Children, and Oxen just because they weren’t “chosen”.
I’m not trying to defend abortion at all, I think it is completely wrong, but I wonder if Christians put too much of an emphasis on trying to end it (often the same people who tell us that we shouldn’t talk about “leaders” and that we should “let God deal with them” if they are sinning are the same ones out pushing the Republican agenda. What a bunch of hypocrites).
February 1st, 2008 at 11:23 am
and there is also a growing demographic of white-middle-aged-mini-van-driving-blogaholic-mamas paying attention to Mr Obama!
February 1st, 2008 at 11:57 am
If I am over 30, does that means I can make my own opinion or do I still need to follow what you say? (I often get confused.. I’m not sure if I’m part of the follower generation or the leader generation.)
Can you clear that up? My life will be unstable until you tell me.
Thanks!
February 1st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Here here….although I am not fully white and almost 30, I am a Christian and I do support Obama. True that abortion and gay rights are close to my heart as well, I still wonder why have Christians made these the only important political issues? Republicans (of which I am officially registered) want to fight for these two issues so much that the ignore the fact that Jesus cared for the poor and impovershed, the neglected and the lonley just as much as He did for the children, and the Democrats seem to be the only ones that fight for the lower class. We have to be more balanced in our approach to politics. We can’t fight for one cause because it aligns with the Bible yet ignor others. Obama has his faults just like Bush does, just like we do. However, of all the canidates who have a chance of winning, Obama is the best one to lead this country in it’s current state. Hence I lay down my conservative roots and pick a man who I believe will make the best decisions when it comes to our daily lives. And even if abortion was illegal, don’t think it’s going to stop or even slow down for that matter. If a woman wants to make that decision she is going to make it.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I am definitely against abortion, but ending it is unrealistic and if it actually were to happen, things would get much worse. Babies would still die. Women would still pursue it–they would either do it to themselves risking their own deaths in the process, or they would seek out people/doctors who would perform one for them illegally.
In order for abortion to become illegal and no negative repercussions to come from that, the entire country/world would have to adopt the same views and ideas as fundamentalist Christians/Mormons/what have you.
I believe abortion should be legal and that there should be a lot LESS of it.
The way to do that is with comprehensive & informative sex education — at home and at school. Even if that just means knowing how a person gets pregnant. I had friends who because they went to CCS & CHS, didn’t know this basic information until they were about 20 years old. Lucky for them they weren’t having sex because they would have ended up becoming pregnant.
I know people like to say that all sin is “the same to God”, and maybe it is, but they still classify it in an earthly way as “better” or “worse”. I think most people would say that death/murder is worse than sex outside of marriage.
On top of which, all of the “True Love Waits” & similar programs aren’t that effective. Studies by Columbia University & Yale (over a period of 7 years studying 12,000 kids who took an abstinence pledge) show that kids/teens who go through these programs do wait…but only an average of one year to 18 months longer than kids/teens who aren’t a part of these programs. And the kids who go through these programs also have the same rate of STD’s as other kids. (These studies are easily accessible with a google search so I am not going to “cite my sources”).
I am all for waiting — it is the choice I am making. But clearly these programs aren’t working and pregnancy is going to happen. This is just one example of how Christians think they can fix it all — but they can’t and they won’t admit that they can’t so they keep going about things the same way instead of coming up with new ideas.
I love Obama for a lot of reasons but one of them is that he is a moral (yes, morality can be found outside the four walls of the church — SHOCKER!), thoughtful and smart man who is willing to consider all sides and then make the best decision based on the information available.
Sorry this is so long.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Also, in regards to same sex marriage–which seems to be more of a hot button topic than abortion and that just BLOWS MY MIND–I personally don’t care whether people think it is right or wrong. I think it is abominable that Christians think it is OK to treat people as LESS THAN HUMAN because they think being gay is a sin.
I think the homosexual community gets the message loud and clear that the Christian community has been putting out there: it’s WRONG WRONG WRONG and BAD BAD BAD. How much money, time & energy (by the CHURCH) has gone into fighting against any kind of legislature that has to do with gays? A whole hell of a lot. And how much money, time & energy has the church put into reaching out to the homosexual community with love and compassion? Next to none. (I am basing this on my old church–good ole CBC).
I think gays, who have been hated on and experienced more personal and public pain than a lot of us will ever have to endure–both by the religious and non-religious–have been through enough. The church should be a place of sanctuary for them, yet it is leading the fight against them.
I’m not saying people have to change their views, but it is possible to think someone is a big bad sinner and still extend love and compassion to them–they already know you think it is “bad”, you don’t have to keep telling them. Trust me.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I am a 1/2 white, twenty-something, Christian liberal who’s not quite sold on Obama yet…
I admire his seemingly meteoric rise on a platform of “hope” and “change” but I’m concerned about his somewhat skimpy resume. In these volatile times, we need someone with cultural sensitivity but also cunning and immovable resolve.
I just wish there was someone in the running with more foreign policy experience.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
oh my.. twenty-somethings… that was decades ago it seems.
I do think I’d rather have obama than a dry hilary-ious.
But REALLY.. the primaries are pretty much over it appears and we still have 3 months til we get to vote in the primaries… whoopeee ..
Seems like the election has been going on for a year already and still nearly a year left…
Anybody else SICK and TIRED of all this like I am??
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 am
Obama is better than Hillary, but both have rhetoric that involves more symbolism than substance. For instance, both have healthcare plans, but neither really gives good methods of paying for it. And pulling our troops out of Iraq immediately sounds good, but it won’t work because it will destabilize what is left of the region.
I used to think abortion, stem cell research, and gay marriage were the most important issues in any campaign. Now, the economy and war on Islamic terrorism have supplanted those issues in my mind. Both Democrats seem to believe in big government solutions to our economic problems (much like some Republicans do now), and both don’t have the national security credentials needed to defend this nation against Islamist hegemony.
More and more it looks like I’ll be (reservedly) voting for John McCain in November.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
woooooohoooooooooooooooooo! i love you guys
February 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Looks like a tight race between Obama and Clinton on the left. McCain will get it on the other side for sure. I say if it’s McCain/Obama, Obama wins, but if it’s McCain/Clinton, McCain wins.
Either way this is going to be a historical election. GET OUT AND VOTE PEOPLE!
February 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Unless, you’re voting for Hilary. Then please stay home.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
One of Obama’s biggest rallies was in Boise last Saturday. I bet the RWR’s at 2760 E. Fairview were nashing their teeth!
February 6th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
This is historic. We finally agree on something.
-joe
February 7th, 2008 at 9:02 am
The sound of McCain vs. Clinton makes me shudder. It’s like choosing between the lesser of two evils. The most disgusting part about it is the reasons I’ve heard people say when asked why they voted for Hillary. I heard one girl say it was because she “wanted a woman as a president,” and another said that she “just wanted to vote for someone who would win.”
February 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Aren’t all presidential elections the choosing between two evils? In my opinion there is NEVER going to be the perfect candidate. We are all so different and want/like so many different things, how could we ever all agree on something? I believe Obama is the best choice because he is going to bring a fresh face, fresh expereince, and a new outlook to a white house that has seen Regan/BushI/Clinton/BushII for almost 30 years. Why in the hell would anyone want another Clinton or McCain (who is basically Bush III) added to that list? It’s time for change people and Obama brings it.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Well, now you can add Double Grammy winner to the list.
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed1/idUSN0852813420080210
February 18th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
I’ll have to disagree with you about McCain being another Bush. W. hid out the Vietnam war in the Texas National Guard.
When McCain was a POW , his father was Admiral of the 7th fleet. His captors offered to release him as a good will gesture. McCain refused the offer unless ALL the prisoners were released. He suffered brutal punishment for causing the North Vietnamese such loss of face. I cannot remember another Presidential candidate who has put his ass on the line like John McCain has.
As far as Hillary goes, just the thought of her perjuring, sleazeball husband being in the Whitehouse again makes me ill.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Agreed, but I’m not talking about what McCain or Bush did 40 years ago. I’m looking at what they do now. McCains policies are just an extension of Bush’s. Who wants another four years of that?
Again, I agree. Ol sleazy beezy Bill will be running the show in no time at all. Another four years of him makes me want to go live in Europe.
This is why I still have to back Obama. He’s a fresh face with new ideas, and with him we have the ability to show the rest of the world that America isn’t just all about old white rich people controling the masses. With this election we have the opportunity to put the whole world on notice…we have changed! Now, I know he’ll be corrupted in a few years like everyone else, after all this is politics. But at least we will get his young, energetic outlook on things for a few years.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
So I have had three political discussions with family/close friends that have said almost verbatim “i will vote for whoever is pro-life”!!! Really people is this all thats important?! Im a almost thirty year old mom who loves that this country is founded on God and places upmost value on moral issues but is morality only pro-life stance?! Please everyone take the time to do research, think things through and dont get caught in a party line trap!
February 19th, 2008 at 5:45 am
In my opinion, there is more to being pro-life than just opposing abortion. A lot of innocent civilians died needlessly in Iraq. And after 8 years of George W. Bush, we still have abortions in this country. So while John McCain isn’t going to eliminate abortion, Obama might get us out of Iraq.
Edge: Obama.
February 19th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Very true.
Good observation.
If Obama can get himself elected — as I don’t think Hillary would stand a ghost of a chance of beating McCain —I hope he can do so without leaving behind a ticking time bomb.
There’s a lot more to effectively resolving the Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iraq problem on a long-term basis than merely signing an order to begin the immediate withdrawal of all US troops.
-joe
February 19th, 2008 at 6:29 am
True. Frankly, I suspect we’ll have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for the next 20 years. But I would like to begin the process of bringing them home, ASAP.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Ex-Slave Said:
hmmmm I thought Hillary was doing alot more running the show the last time they were in the White House. When she said she’s the one who wears the pantsuit, I don’t think she was kidding around.
Catalyst said:
excellent point
February 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
ex-City Bible Slave,
You said, “McCain’s policies are just an extension of Bush’s.”
I’ll have to disagree with that also. Have you heard of McCain/Fiengold? It would take most of the ‘big money’ out of politics and return power to the people. It has been fillibustered three times, by people on both sides of the aisle!
This bill is why the ‘big money’ Republicans HATE McCain.
He has also said he would close Guantonamo Bay immediately. He has publicly stated that waterboarding is torture. (he would know) He is known for working across party lines, as when he and Ted Kennedy worked on immigration reform. He would also conduct the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan very differently. He was very blunt about getting rid of Rumsfeld early on.
At any rate, this election is offering some real change on both sides, and I won’t be too disappointed whoever wins a McCain/Obama contest. But please, don’t ‘broad brush’ McCain as another Bush! It just aint so.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
and mccain, obama, hilary… they all seem intent on having the Welcome Wagon hostesses search out all the illegals (aka CRIMINALS as they have broken laws of the land that are on the books) and make sure they are comfortable …
February 19th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Hey I live in Southern California. We down here have to deal with the effects of illegal immigrants more then most people in America. The public school system is over 60% hispanic, community hospitals are overwhelmed, and low paying jobs don’t exist. If you want good quality community service you have to pay a premium for it through private orginizations because the business know that your alternative is something staffed with illigal immigrants. That being said, I have met quite a few people that are in this country illegally and even they say America is stupid for letting all these people in. But truth is they are coming no matter what. There is no way the government will be able to effictevely enforce these laws on the books and labeling them as criminals and throwing them in jail or deporting them is inhumane, not to mention a waste of our tax dollars. Besides every person deported will just be smarter about getting back in the next time. There is no right or wrong way to handle the illegal immigration problem, but simply enforcing the laws on our books will not work. These are people loved by God just as much as you and I, who are searching for a better life. I want a president who will remember that when trying to address this issue.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Well spoken. Points received.
February 21st, 2008 at 11:40 am
interesting article about obama statements….
Washington Insider with Ronald Kessler RSS ARCHIVE
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/michelle_barack_obama/2008/02/21/74416.html
The Real Barack Obama
Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:06 AM
By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size
Michelle Obama’s comment that, for the first time in her adult life, she feels proud of America helps crystallize who Barack Obama is.
To be sure, the wife of a candidate is perfectly free to have views that are distinct from her husband’s. But on a matter that is so fundamental to one’s being as love of country, it is difficult to imagine that Michelle Obama would publicly twice make such a statement suggesting disdain for America unless she felt it comported with her husband’s views.
Equally important, her statement aligns perfectly with the hate-America views of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s minister, friend, and sounding board for more than two decades. On the Sunday following 9/11, Wright characterized the terrorist attacks as a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in his church magazine Trumpet. “White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
Wright has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan, and in December, honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement, saying he “truly epitomize[s] greatness.”
Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals.
Those who think two of the closest people to Obama could publicly make anti-America statements unless Obama himself felt that way, are fooling themselves. To date, Obama has proven himself to be nothing more than a great orator, rendering the statements of those around him even more important in illuminating his true character and agenda. During his Senate career, he skipped 17 percent of the votes and sponsored only one bill that became law. That bill was to promote “relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.”
Bereft of official accomplishments, Obama has distinguished himself mainly by being against measures that protect American security, such as finishing the mission in Iraq. If we were to leave Iraq quickly, as Obama vows he would do, it would become a launch pad for al-Qaida attacks on the U.S.
Obama avoided voting on extending the Protect America Act, thus putting America at risk when immediate interception of terrorist communications is required. Last August, Obama voted against a measure that would have allowed the U.S. to continue to monitor overseas conversations of terrorists like Osama bin Laden without first obtaining a warrant.
If his radical vote had prevailed, bin Laden would have been given the same rights as Americans.
To this day, Obama has not distanced himself from most of Rev. Wright’s comments. In a statement supposedly issued to address the matter, Obama ignored the point that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Farrakhan and that Wright’s church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader. Instead, as outlined in a Jan. 17 Newsmax article, he disingenuously claimed he thought the magazine bestowed the award on Farrakhan for his efforts to rehabilitate ex-prisoners.
Neither Wright’s encomiums about Farrakhan nor the Trumpet article mentions ex-prisoners.
Similarly, after John McCain’s wife Cindy responded to Michelle Obama’s remarks by telling a Wisconsin rally, “I have, and always will be, proud of my country,” Barack Obama told a radio interviewer that his wife did not say what people think she said. He then proceeded to rewrite her comments, claiming that she had meant she was encouraged by the “large numbers of people” who have gotten involved in the political process. Michelle Obama then made a similar revision of her remarks.
In her speech in Milwaukee, Michelle Obama said flatly, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am … proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”
And what has been wrong with America up to now? That it gave Michelle the opportunity to attend Princeton and Harvard Law School? That it gave Barack Obama the chance to attend Harvard and Harvard Law School and become a U.S. senator making more than $1 million a year from book royalties?
Was it that America stopped Nazi Germany from continuing to murder millions of Jews? That America has provided Africa and other countries with $15 billion to combat the spread of AIDS/HIV and that another $30 billion is on the way? That 46 percent of all Americans classified by the Census Bureau as poor own their own homes, 76 percent of them have air conditioning, and 75 percent of them have at least one car? Or that America allows us to express our views freely without fear of being put in jail, as is the case in Russia?
A lawyer, Michelle Obama is perfectly capable of expressing herself precisely. In fact, she spoke from a written speech.
Those who do not want to believe she meant what she said — and that Barack Obama could not be so close to Rev. Wright if he did not himself believe in much of what he has said — are in denial.
The real Barack Obama is starting to emerge, and for those of us who are grateful to America for everything it represents, it is not a pretty sight.
Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com. View his previous reports and get his dispatches sent to you free via e-mail. Go here now.
February 21st, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Most of this article is just “guilt by association”, which is something I don’t find very persuasive.
Michelle Obama’s statement wasn’t helpful considering her husband is running for President. But, that said, considering she is a black woman, who grew up in America, I’m sympathic. Lately, I have had a hard time feeling proud of America. While it is still the best country in the world, we have been screwing up pretty bad.
Also, the statements about Bin Laden and The Patriot Act are just factually wrong. I don’t want to get into it, but the President is just trying to give himself more power and control by using fear as a means of pressuring Congress to relinquish their Constiutional powers.
And this is why I am no longer a Republican. They twist the facts and make anyone who opposes the President out to be a terrorist. I’m tired of it. We need more Hope in America, not more fear.
Yes, we can!
February 21st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Blah, blah, blah….this is so obviously political rehetoric from people pushing an agenda of their own. Hear what you want to hear to support your views, but to me this is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill because there is very little dirt on Obama and his opposition has to find something to slow him down.
February 21st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
There’s nothing wrong with her statement and Ronald Kessler is wrong to assume that if one is not proud of the US, one must be ashamed of it or hate it … that’s polarized thinking, once again. The 3rd option is ambivalence / neutrality.
The person(s) who are always proud of our country, just wear rose-colored glasses.
Enron. Outsourcing. Abortion. Indifference to HIV/AIDS. Racism. Hatred of gays. Drugs. Crime. Etc., etc. It all occurs here. Do people really mean to say they’re proud of those things? Or does “proud of my country” simply overlook all the crap that goes on here?
I don’t get it.
This message approved by the Libertarian Party. (Like my vote is gonna matter, in IL).
February 21st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Seriously, that’s all I could think while reading this: “fear mongering”.
People use words like “terrorist”, “freedom” & “safety” to invoke fear and they use adjectives like “radical”, “adoringly” & “disingenuous” to put their own slant on things and support what they are saying.
Lame.
February 21st, 2008 at 12:59 pm
If I didn’t have to register as a Democrat to vote for Obama in the DC Primary, I would have registered Libertarian.
Good times!