Victorious Secret: Lingerie for Overcomers
Posted on October 23rd, 2008 by Belteshazzar into the Uncategorized categorySince this is "Offend Your Readers Week" I just had to pass along this article from the Wittenburg Door about a Christian clothing company called "Victorious Secret". (Warning: Link contains provocative pictures of women in flannel nightgowns.) Here's a brief sample:
There's a widespread misconception, she said, that Christians fear pleasure, especially sexual pleasure, and see it as degrading, corrupting and tainted.
"That's a dirty, rotten LIE," she yelled, stamping her foot on the marble floor.
"But it's always so hard for a couple to transition from kneeling together in awe before the gates of heaven — praying for famine victims in Darfur, for instance, or the political situation in East Timor–and then jumping into the sack for a session of hot carnal pleasure. I wanted to help bridge that gap. That was my sacred mission."
I'm surprised they haven't already promoted an Ephesians 6 line of clothing which would include the bustier of righteousness and the garter belt of truth.
(Instant Purity Test: How many bad puns are in the title of this article?)
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October 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Love it! You had me at “Victorious Secret”.
October 24th, 2008 at 8:37 am
I was kinda thinkin of starting a line for Christian men called “Victor’s Secret”. Maybe we could sell them through the blog here. What do you guys think? Maybe they could say “TITHE!” or “GIVE!” across the butt.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:38 am
So does this have anything to do with the “7 day challenge”–the latest craze in the mega church world. Word on the street is Wendell is on this bandwagon too. They must be getting bored with all the money they rake in from the properity doctrine and now need something to do with it all.
Not that there’s anything wrong with having sex for 7 days but do they have to turn THAT into an obligatory spiritual practice too like tithing? What happened to spontanaity and surprises? Why does everything need to be a discipline? e.i. do they have to ruin this too? They already think they are reaping the benefits of the ‘wicked’ by calling the cash in from the 4 corners of the earth.
My friend just informed me there’s a pastor’s wife journaling all about it and she has decided to have sex for 30 days straight. (owch) I suppose if you are gonna obsess you may as well obsess over sex. But who wants to hear anything about it from a pastor’s wife? It’s a little creepy if you ask me.
My friend said the Sovereign Grace ppl are into this new sex rule too.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:39 am
Where’s Scrupe when we need him? Isn’t he the one who designed the Judah thongs?
November 13th, 2008 at 8:14 am
http://clothing.cafepress.com/item/victors-classic-thong/232194541
November 13th, 2008 at 9:41 am
lol. I first thought the 7 day challenge meant NOT having sex for 7 days.
I have no clue what goes on in the megachurch world because I haven’t been in it for a while.
Seriously, are these people repressed or something?
I think it must have been the purity movement of the past. All I remember is Glenda Malmin telling us that oral sex is wrong and as though it is breaking a direct commandment from God. She wouldnt say why. She was talking oral sex between a married couple.
November 13th, 2008 at 9:45 am
For those whose calling is evangelism:
http://clothing.cafepress.com/item/got-jesus-classic-thong/19529841
November 13th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Let’s see they took over our checkbooks, our time, our children in interns
and now they are moving into the bedroom. What’s next? I’m afraid to ask.
Yes the repressed shall overcome!
November 13th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Wasn’t it Wendell’s son who gave the lurid details from his sex life
to the youth of the church there in his sermons? You know the young folks you are encouraging to stay pure. How exactly was that supposed to help them we ask-to tantalize them?
The buzz on the net is they’ve just found a way to speak on topics that used to be off limits and they are boundary -less. Whether it’s appropriate or not
they want in your bedroom.
Church bulletins are selling the topics of the classes such as ‘new positions’ and we don’t mean in Christ.
Examples abound on the internet as people are incredulous with this latest trend. The unbelievers are having to shield their children’s eyes
from the billboards placed on the freeways in Dallas, TX.
Oh well if its not recycling and saving the green earth its sex talk. Good thing we don’t have timeto share the gospel anymore or that could really turn the world around.
November 14th, 2008 at 12:54 am
THANK GOD! WE KNEW SCRUPE WOULD COME THRU!
November 14th, 2008 at 12:55 am
YOU ARE TOO FUNNY!
November 14th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Yes, Nina, in a normal world . . . but as we all know now we weren’t dealing with a normal world.
they’ve repressed themselves for so long they’ve finally swung the pendulum clear to the other side and sanctioned it with their blessing. I think it may have something to do with if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em — or they listened to Judah expound on what fun he is having in the bedroom and didn’t think he should be the only one having such a good time. . . or it could be ’sex isn’t wrong cuz God made it for married people so we are going out on a limb and taking the challenge of having 7 days of sex’
ok, fine. but why do you have to tell the whole world about it?! Billboards announcing it? What will it be next?
and, um, the oral sex thing is probably also sanctioned as ok now by
the Church LadyGlenda Maldrum.So back in the day when Glenda was publically announcing that oral sex is wrong for married couples, did those who participated in such (gasp!) extricate their guilt by way of confession to the elders or what? Isn’t it a bit creepy that the leadership thought they had a say in married couples’ most holy and private act of marriage? none of their business in my opinion. sheesh.
November 14th, 2008 at 1:43 am
Honestly, I have no idea. It was in a social roles and relationship class of PBC. We’re talking about college aged adults that giggle like pre-pubescents whenever they hear words like “petting” “lasciviousness” and “masturbation”
So, I cant imagine them confessing this to another person. They would die of embarassment before they can finish. I think it puts unnecessary guilt on people. I can understand when a pastors talk about oral sex between unmarried people.
It bugs me when Christians, particularly leadership preach their personal preferences as though equivalent to biblical truth. I figured out that there is no purpose in trying to reason or talk sensibly with certain people. Back then, would there be a point in talking to anyone in leadership about it?
The best thing to do is to mock them.
November 14th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Could it be that they’ve repressed the TRUTH for so long something’s gotta give!
November 14th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Freedom To Run Away said:
Maybe it’s Judah who has inadvertantly started the whole thing! Ha! Yet another way that the ‘big dogs’ can compete with each other while lording themselves over the minions!
Ah yes, the Boundary problem. They have no qualms of trying to get in where they don’t belong — The beauty of being Free To Run Away is when Truth finally wiggles its way to the surface, people can CHOOSE TO LEAVE. But even before leaving bad churches, people can choose to not let the weirdness in. That’s where it starts. Now THAT is revelation when one finally figures THAT one out!!
Wonders never cease - (class on) sex positions in the church bulletins! And billboards in Dallas! The Dallas part doesn’t surprise me. I wonder what Joel and Victoria Osteens’ take is on all of this~ or are they in Houston?
Isn’t that so true! They should be putting statements like this in their bulletins instead and having classes on how to do the 180 from strange distractions - how to keep the Gospel our focus and all that.
Note: We have mentioned before that it’s not that we are against recycling, saving the earth, or sex — it’s just when the church makes these their focus, Jesus’ original message gets lost in the all the hub bub.
November 14th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Nina said:
My reference to talking to leadership about it was really more tongue-in-cheek but I’m glad you answered anyway Nina!
I agree about it being pointless to talk with these types. Practically speaking, first, you could never get an appointment with them in a timely manner (over here it could be cancelled at least 3 times so by the time you get in the door your frustration would have mounted to a new high); and second, they really think that they (leadership) is called by God to do the thinking for the sheep. “Let your pastor figure this out for you”
Ha! true! Catharsis at its best!
November 15th, 2008 at 4:41 am
There was a prophetic couple in the Vineyard movement (pretty old even for back in the late 80’s, so I don’t even know if they’re alive anymore) named John & Paula Sanford. In one of their books, they explained that oral sex between married people was wrong because God meant us to be face to face in real intimacy and quoted some obscure bible passage. That was the only explanation they could give. My guess is that it had to do with their age. This was THEIR belief based on their own hang-ups but felt the need to try to make it a “thus saith the Lord” so came up with a convoluted scripture to support this belief.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Does that rule out doin’ it “doggy style” too?
November 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Woops, posted this in the wrong thread first time.
I found this article to be very interesting:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/03/081103fa_fact_talbot?currentPage=all
FTA:
November 18th, 2008 at 3:11 am
Can’t remember (it’s been 20 years and I have NO desire to re-visit that book!!!), but I actually think that’s the inference.