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Is Judah Smith The New Messiah?

Posted on March 5th, 2010 by The Reformer into the The City Church category

I was recently introduced to the Judah Smith fan page on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/judahsmith).  All I have to say is WOW, A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!  Check out these recent posts (note that I did not change anything, so the spelling and gramical errors are their mistakes):

Kevin Salinas: "I listen to your sermon from G.U. 2010 at least twice a day. you are awesome."

Lynn Marie Kraus: "Pastor Judah, what an amazing message you gave yesterday…Your are really an inspiration to all the members, old and new. I love you."

Diana Forte Kenton: "Judah you are sooo annoited by God. in about from about 1999 to 2005 I was in a bad place, God used you to bring me back to Him And with your new messages i am inspired daily…I should be dead but JESUS has saved me, you have been a HUGE part of this!"

Nate Riley: You are my hero…”

Brooke Papier: “The way God speaks through you Judah never ceases to amaze me…. Thank you for being a wonderful example of an obedient disciple!”

Laura Sinclair: “Thank you for laying your hand on me after the Encounter Retreat tonight. =) I felt the Holy Spirit through you.”

Ron Debbie Stoner: “GREATEST PASTOR IN THE WORLD.”

Nikolay Bertash: “I love you Judah Smith.”

Tony Solis: “pastor judah is one of those guys that you can't help liking. the good-natured messing around with his wife before he actually gets to preaching makes me laugh quite a bit…the fire this man has for God is second to none, and that's a real inspiration to me.”

And they go on and on like this.  In fact he has over 16,000 fans, all spouting the same kind of praise and worship.  I have to admit, if it were me all these crazies were claiming adoration for, it would be hard not to think I was God's next chosen son.  So it really does make me wonder…is Judah Smith the new Messiah??

Healing

Posted on June 5th, 2008 by Reformed Pope into the The City Church category

Wendall Smith of The City Church in Seattle has written an interesting blog about healing…and of course by interesting I mean confusing. The blog was written back in February so it may not be current, but this is what he says:

This past week was a challenging week for me and many members of our church. While I have been preaching the message of healing from the pulpit over the past few weeks, the devil is still at work attempting to steal, kill and destroy.

One of the dear sisters of our church and a wonderful mother and wife suffered an undetected heart attack and went home to be with Jesus on the weekend. Another dynamic young Pastor's wife passed into eternity after battling cancer for several months. Many people prayed fervently, cried out to God and did everything they knew to secure healing for these women of God. But they died. They departed from us and went home to be with the Lord in Heaven.

TOOT TOOT, I have an announcement to make: When I die, whether it is tonight or in 100 years, it will be the work of the Lord. It will be because God has allowed it to happen. It will be God's decision that I die. I refuse to put my life in the hands of the devil and I can not understand why Pastor Wendell Smith would end a paragraph about healing with, "the devil is still at work attempting to steal, kill and destroy and follow that up with a paragraph talking about people in his church who have died. Why does Wendell think dying is the work of the devil?

Announcement over.

Wendell then goes on to list 7 "comforting secrets" that are "hidden in the pages of God's wonderful word". Here are a few of them:

#2 - The Scripture tells us that the "secret things belong to the Lord" and the things that are revealed belong to us (Deut 29:29). There are many things in this life, on this side of eternity that we do not understand, and therefore we must trust in the Lord with all our heart and not lean to our own understanding. We may not know the "why" but we can know the "Who"!

We may not know the "why" but we can know the "Who"! WTF does that mean? And how does it relate? Geez Billy, sorry your mom died…and while I don't know "why" she died I can tell you "Who"!….see that doesn't even make any sense.

#4 - We have the sweet assurance that Heaven is an unfathomable reward for the believer. The death of the saints is precious in the eyes of the Lord (Psalm 116:15). Paul actually says it is far better to depart and be with Christ, and that to die is gain (Phil 1:20-23). He even says that he wanted Christ to be magnified in his body, whether by life or by death!

"The death of the saints is precious in the eyes of the Lord…"but wait…

#6 - With hearts full of faith and trust in the Lord our Healer we will continue to speak the word of faith and healing for people. We have been commissioned to preach the Word and heal the sick (Mark 16:15-20). These momentary contradictions will not hinder us from obeying the Lord and continuing His work. In fact we will retaliate (2 Cor 10:6) with greater fervor and zeal and continue to destroy Satan's evil works- by preaching and propagating Christ's healing message.

"We will retaliate with greater fervor and zeal and continue to destroy Satan's evil works…"

So…what I hear Wendell saying is that the Evil Works of Satan is precious in the eyes of the Lord…

It all sounds like double talk. I don't think Wendell knows what he is talking about. That is all.

“Me” criticizes David Mackin for publicly disagreeing with “pastors with cancer.”

Posted on May 27th, 2008 by David Mackin into the Uncategorized, The City Church, David Mackin Writes:, Prosperity Doctrine category

Me wrote: "David, honestly, your statement about Mal. 3:8-12, whether or not it was written to believers implies that God somehow changed His idea of tithing and blessing between now and then. Simply untrue."

Me, As a counselor I thought that you would know that when a patient simply makes an assertion, it does not make it true. Your assertion "Simply untrue" is just such a statement. If you would take the time to research the tithe on this blog, you will find many reasons given against the Mandatory Tithe being required to receive God's blessings. In my view, we need you to leave assertionism behind and come forward with well-interpreted Scripture.

Me wrote:"There's also the fact that Pastor Frank Damazio has completed his PhD work at ORU, which holds the highest accreditation available to a school of theology in the states…"

Me, It is true that FD just received a degree from ORU. ORU's Office of Verifications just informed me that he earned a 3.95 GPA while doing this, too. Good job! At the same time, he did not earn a Ph.D. degree as you claimed; he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree, a degree which is far less academic and much more practical than the typical Ph.D. degree, as joebib has previously pointed out on this blog.

Me wrote: "As far as I know, you've no such credentials, and therefore wouldn't really be a credible source for such criticisms as you so flippantly distribute on this site."

Me, I do not make my posts "flippantly" on this blog. It is true, however, that I do not hold a degree beyond a Bachelors of Religion. At the same time, I do not base anyone's final credibility on the letters after their name. I base my assessment on what they say and the way that they document what they say. I have a friend, as just one example, who does not have a doctorate but is published in learned journals and who has read every article in The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible 4 vol. set, along with 1-2 solid commentaries on every book of the Bible, and much more. On the flip side, there are many atheists with advanced degrees who reject both God and Jesus Christ…

I would prefer you to dialogue with me about my content, sources and hermeneutics rather than dismissing so easily what I say because I don't have an advanced degree.

Me wrote: "After all, he's [David] spent so many hours of his life and time on this earth bashing…churches and pastors with cancer [Pastor Wendell Smith]."

Me, If I understand you correctly, you are saying that because Wendell Smith has cancer, than I should not criticize his teachings. Is this right? As a counselor, if you'll think about it, I think that you will recognize what you just said to me as a good example of pure guilt manipulation: don't criticize Wendell Smith because he has cancer. Do you actually encourage your patients to use guilt to manipulate others?

Where does the Bible say that because someone is sick that others should not disagree with their teachings? I don't know of any verse supporting that idea.

I have prayed, along with many others, that God would heal Wendell, but just because he may continue being sick, does not mean that God is giving him, or any other person with an unfortunate sickness, a license to teach whatever they want and to use the Bible or the gospel of Jesus Christ in whatever way they choose.

“PC” comes to the defense of Pastor Wendell Smith…

Posted on May 23rd, 2008 by David Mackin into the Uncategorized, The City Church, David Mackin Writes: category

 

PC said: "I have to say that this entire site is the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen." 

PC, Have you honestly read this entire site? (I know I haven’t yet.) If not, how can you accurately say anything disparaging about “this entire site?” 

PC said: "It is a shame that some people study the scriptures not out of a heart to seek God but out of a heart to destroy the church." 

PC, How can you claim to know other people's motives for studying the Bible? We are seeking God by discussing if what we have been taught by pastors is truly what the Bible says; is that wrong? Did not Paul commend the Bereans for "searching the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so?"…even if it implied that they would question the very teachings that Paul was proclaiming?! 

PC said: " I’ve read and also heard first hand the statements by Pastor Wendell that were noted in this blog and I totally agree." 

PC, I'm happy that you are telling me that I accurately quoted Pastor Wendell; that he is consistent with the contents of his book when he gets into the pulpit; and that you probably attend his church. 

More importantly, however, is the question: Have you read what this site says about the Prosperity Doctrine or about the Mandatory Tithe so that you can intelligently discuss it with us and not hide behind your pastor? (If you want to, go to the right column on this page and click onto these topics.) 

PC said: "If you don’t want the blessing that comes from being faithful with your finances to God…" 

PC, I do want the blessing that comes from being faithful with my finances and that is why I am seeking better to understand the Scriptures so that I can please my Father. In my view, your comment is impudent, judgmental and cheap: it gives no reason for your statement except the vague implication that you probably have Malachi 3:8-12 in mind, which was not written to Christians. 

Pardon me for saying this but you remind me of myself after I graduated from Portland Bible College in 1974: I believed everything I had been taught was beyond question and I thought that I understood the Bible and the world "perfectly." Please come out of your naïve cocoon nestled safely behind your pastor. We invite you to join in true dialogue with us. 

PC said: "…then fine but don’t destroy the men and women of God…" 

PC, Have you ever read a book review, a movie review or the editorial page of a newspaper? The real world is real people quoting each other and asking questions and bringing honest critiques and opinions to the table (hopefully with a desire for the truth and a spirit of respect). 

I agree that not everything on this blog is shared with the utmost respect, but nothing is perfect including pastors in the pulpit and the religious business franchises that they attempt to build. The apostle Paul named names when he thought that someone had backslidden into false teaching. 

Have you read Pastor Wendell's book, Prosperity with a Purpose? If not, please read it, and then may I suggest that you read my review of his book which you will find on this blog, and then tell me if you think I was fair in my evaluation.  

I believe that genuine dialogue is an essential part of Christian education – not simply allowing ourselves to be blindly indoctrinated by the church pulpit or classroom podium. Paul told the Romans in 14, “Let each man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” That means that he was requiring members of the church to think and evaluate for themselves. 

Generally speaking, please realize that even though all true Christians believe that Jesus is Lord, in my view, the churches in which genuine dialogue on the non-essentials of the faith is actively quashed are places where pastors have perverted the church from a learning community into either a cult or a moneymaking business or both.

 Just stop and think about it for a minute: Why would the leaders of a cult or a moneymaking church franchise quash all questions toward its senior leadership and its teachings?  

PC said: "…who are pursuing the life and calling God has for them…" 

PC, My friend, we are seeking to know the ways of God and the general will of Jesus Christ for leaders and Christians alike. There are NT principles that apply to Pastor Wendell as well as to all of us. Believers need to hold each other accountable to being faithful to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ. Your statement sounds very defensive to me like "Go away! Leave my pastor alone!" I'm sorry, we're not going away and we're not going to leave Pastor Wendell, or any other leader alone, who we feel is deceiving the Body of Christ. We might be wrong in our concern, but right now, this is what we feel the NT teaches.   

I do hope that we hear from you again. I hope that you didn't visit us just to shoot emotion-based bullets that made you feel that you were doing your Christian duty to defend your pastor and then disappear under a pew at The City Church. 

My own childhood spirit is making this request of you: "Come out, come out, wherever you are and let's play for real!" 

 

Who is Really Deceived? Pastor Wendell Smith or Craig & C.T.P.?

Posted on May 2nd, 2008 by David Mackin into the The City Church, David Mackin Writes: category

The apostles of Christ warn us that self-deception is a very real possibility even for Christians (Galatians 6:3,7; James 1:16,26; I Timothy 2:14; 2 Timothy 3:13). What is self-deception? How can a true believer actually be deceived? In our discussions of the Prosperity Doctrine and the Mandatory Tithe, I have noticed that both sides of these issues will, at times, accuse the other side of "being deceived." Here is a case in point: 

Both Craig and C.T.P. left The City Church in Kirkland, WA where Wendell & Gini Smith are the senior pastors.  When asked by Serj why they left, they made the following comments:  

“It’s not about the cars or houses, it’s about deception and manipulation for the end result of fleecing the flock. False doctrine caused me to leave the church…Paul told Timothy to watch his doctrine closely because it would save his soul and those who hear him. Why do people who take doctrine seriously leave that church? You do the math.” (Craig, City Business Church blog, July 21st, 2007 at 12:41 am

“My reasons for leaving are closely related to Craig’s. We both saw the deception and the false teaching. The pastors there are not open to hearing any critical voices speak, even if in love - so that gave us no option, but to move on, although it is hard to stop talking about it because of all of our friends that are still there…They [the pastors of the fastest church planting church in the nation] don’t buy $500 trash cans (like City does) or $4,000 flower pots (like City does), and yes that is true - I was a custodian at City so I know.” (C.T.P., City Business Church blog, July 21st, 2007 at 8:54 am).  

After reading what these two former members said about why they left The City Church, I found the following comments from Pastor Wendell Smith, Craig and C.T.P.'s former pastor, most interesting:  

“Over the years, I have known a few men who chose to debate the issue of tithing with me. Rationalizing their view based on their own limited perusing of Scripture, they decided to take a stand against being ‘obligated’ to give ten percent of their income. They believed the New Testament way was to give as the Spirit led. But always, upon review of their financial records after their departure, we discovered they were giving far less. Why would the Holy Spirit lead them to give less than what both Old and New Testament Scriptures teach? I believe the wrong spirit led them to the wrong doctrine and to the wrong decision! They missed the bigger issues of having a right heart attitude toward God, loving His Word, wanting to please Him, and understanding covenant relationship.” Wendell Smith, Prosperity with a Purpose, The City Church, Kirkland, Washington, 2005, p. 158

Both sides in this discussion accuse the other of being involved in some form of deception. Craig and C.T.P. accuse Pastor Wendell of being deceived by false teaching and using it to manipulate his flock for personal financial profit. Pastor Wendell accuses those who questioned his doctrine of tithing of not loving God's Word, and, therefore, opening themselves up to being deceived by a "wrong spirit." In my view, for any Christian to accuse another believer of being deceived is a very serious matter. What do you think?     

Has Judah Smith’s ministry become ineffective?

Posted on October 21st, 2007 by Reformed Pope into the The City Church category

I'm curious, did the Washington Huskies stop coming to genchurch or did Judah Smith lose his anointing?  I of course ask this because the Huskies have lost 5 in a row and got dominated last night by the mighty Oregon Ducks. It looked like U of W sent out a JV squad…seriously people…look at this line:

Jonathan Stewart: 32 Carries for 251 yards and 2 touchdowns…

Oregon had over 660 total yards of offence. The Ducks scored 55 points and didn't even try in the second and third quarters. Maybe it's time to for Judah to hold a Husky pep-rally at the next GC meeting…or maybe it's just time for University of Washington to cancel the rest of their season…after all they completely stink…to be honest, I don't even think God could fix that mess.

Go Ducks.

Go Ducks

City Church loses $378,000 on Rowhouse in DC

Posted on October 10th, 2007 by catalyst into the The City Church category

I have been waiting a year to write this blog post, ever since I read that The City Church (of Seattle, Washington) spent 1.4 million on a rowhouse in Washington DC.

Here are the real estate statistics for the zipcode (20003) where the rowhouse is located. These statistics tell you the average property value of homes bought and sold in the Washington DC metro area from September 2006 (when the City Church purchased the rowhouse) to September 2007.

Total Sold Dollar Volume:  -52.63%

Average Sold Price:  -20.63%

Median Sold Price:  -27.36%

If you look closely you will see that the median price for a home bought in September 2006 dropped 27%, year over year. Which means the City Church lost 27% of the value of their rowhouse in just one year.

And 27% of 1.4 million is…. …well, you guessed it… a whole hell of a lot of money.

You see Wendell Smith bought his little home at the peak of the market, in one of the most over-valued residential markets in the country.

And in two years, when this property has dropped another 20% in value, and Barack Obama is President of the United States, and the Democrats have overwhelming control of Congress, and Wendell Smith's goal of being an influential person in DC is completely moot…

…it is then that I will get down on my knees, and say,

"Dear Jesus, thank you for being a Just and Wonderful God who despises the proud and gives grace to the humble. You have given me more joy than I can possibly imagine, and for that I will always love you. And thank you for your wonderful sense of humor, it please me so much.

Sincerely, your servant,

-Justin."

Book Review: Wendell Smith, Prosperity With a Purpose

Posted on August 23rd, 2007 by David Mackin into the Uncategorized, The City Church, David Mackin Writes: category

“I believe The City Church in Seattle has a gift and ministry of giving to the body of Christ. We have been blessed with more than enough! But there are two reasons we have been blessed. One is that we ask every member of our church to tithe. Therefore the blessing of God and the open windows of heaven are always functioning among our people. There is no curse upon us. Secondly, we are blessed because our church keeps giving money away. Each year we give away over 20 percent of our church’s income.” Wendell Smith, Prosperity with a Purpose, The City Church, Kirkland, Washington, 2005, p. 214 

Wendell Smith's book is dangerous. Both solid biblical exegesis and balanced biblical theology are missing. Instead, Wendell devotes many pages to an overly-simplistic list of key words and verses that mention financial prosperity, e.g., "riches," "wealth," "silver," "gold," "gems," "firstfruits," "hundredfold," "lands," "luxury," "bankers," "thousand," "tithes," "money," etc. (pgs. 73-123). (Wendell’s friend, Frank Damazio, uses the same technique in Releasing Financial Provision, pgs. 331-378.) Using such lists, and the total numbers of their occurences in the Bible to prove a point without exegesis and theology is not only lazy but a wrong and immature use of Scripture. It would be similar to saying that Jesus is not interested in the Church since he only uses the word "church" (ekklesia) two times in the gospels (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). 

Wendell also lists out quotes in favor of wealth not only from Christian sources but also pagan ones e.g., Euripides and Aeschylus, Greek playwrights, Thucydides, the Greek aristocrat, and Confucius, the Chinese philosopher (pgs. 271-285). In response to the hard questions about Christians and wealth, it is noteworthy that Wendell addresses some of them, but his responses are too short and superficial (pgs. 261-270).  

The theme of book can be summed up in one phrase: more money, more ministry. In my view, the book is really Wendell’s personal testimony of how he has accumulated at The City Church, as one of Wendell’s relatives told me: “more money than he knows what to do with.” 

Is the wealth of The City Church, all due to the blessing of God? Not necessarily. The King County/Lake Washington area, where The City Church is located, is one of the wealthiest areas in the country. Bill Gates, the richest man in the world, lives on Lake Washington. In 2005, the median household income in King County was $58,370. Out of 3,141 counties or county equivalents in the nation, King County ranks as approx. the 105th richest county according to median household incomes (census.gov). 

Let’s do church income by the numbers: Pick a wealthy location to plant a church, require all of your church members to tithe, strongly encourage all of your members to give many, many offerings above the tithe, and Voila! Millions of dollars!  

In light of this fact, and not just “the blessing of God,” Wendell can tell in his book how more than once someone in his church wrote out a check for $1,000,000.  In light of this economic demographic, people have to realize, that just because a church’s income is in the multiplied millions, it does not necessarily mean that it is because they are preaching the “truth” about prosperity or because they are “obedient with the tithe so that the windows of heaven are opened” for them by God. 

Besides demographics, the other critical factor as Wendell himself admits as a reason for such wealth accumulation, is that Wendell asks (requires?!) all of their church members to tithe, as well as to give offerings above their tithe. Someone on this blog posted that Wendell does not allow any of the members of The City Church to counsel with anyone on church staff unless they are known to be a faithful tither. If true, can you imagine the kind of pressure and expectation that such an unbiblical practice places upon all of the members of The City Church to tithe?! If accurate, are we to deem such manipulative practices appropriate because they are producing such a large revenue stream? If only because they are producing "results," have we become pragmatists, worshipping at the altar of the “whatever-works” philosophy of John Dewey, rather than Christians following Jesus to the foot of the cross?  Do the "ends" of more ministry justify the "means" used to raising more money for it?  

The Mormons have used the same fund-raising techniques of the mandatory tithe and additional offerings for many years. They have accrued the same result: millions of dollars to build their many meeting houses (called “stakes”) and temples debt-free! Is the material prosperity of the Mormons a clear indication that God himself is “blessing” them and directly helping them to take their message of salvation by good works all around the world?  

My warning to those leaders and Christians who do not know the Bible very well and inwardly long for all of the benefits that wealth (mammon) can bring is not to look only upon the surface of lists of Bible words and verses along with the high-income numbers in The City Church and in other prosperity churches and try to follow suit. Dig deeper in the Word. 

I fear that too many Christians will forget the fact that king Solomon had all the wealth that The City Church has and much more, and it was not because he always walked with God or tithed but because he developed lucrative international commerce in his wealthy corner of the world, and, even more critically, because he raised the mandatory taxes on the people of Israel to benefit his own temple state.

Daily World confirms Cotton’s return

Posted on August 17th, 2007 by catalyst into the Pastoral Staff, The City Church category

There is a great article in The Daily World today discussing Doug Cotton's return to the Harbor.

From the paper:

Doug Cotton, the former pastor of Christian Life Fellowship in Central Park, will help launch a Harbor branch of a huge Kirkland-based church next month.

It will be called Harbor City Church, with the first services scheduled for Sept. 30.

Using financial resources from The City Church, which has a regular weekly attendance of 7,000, according to Anderson, Cotton has leased the former Alexander Young Elementary School at the foot of Scammel Hill.

The Aberdeen School District is charging the church $3,000 a month, according to Tom Laufmann, finance director for the district. It’s an 11-month lease that starts in September and ends on July 31, 2008. The church will have an option to renew and it will pay all utilities.

I encourage you to read the whole article, it confirms a lot of what has been said in the comments of this blog.

I would also like to thank all our readers, because you were partly responsible for tipping off the reporter to Doug Cottons' return.

From the article:

The Daily World learned about Cotton’s affiliation with the new church through calls from readers and a blog entry at www.citybusinesschurch.org.

We also received an email from the reporter thanking us for the blog entry that led him to write this follow up story.

Well done, readers, well done.

A controversial post…let the comments begin

Posted on July 23rd, 2007 by Reformed Pope into the The City Church category

Judah Smith…